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Subject:	Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:14:58 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes: > Larry Pieniazek wrote: > > I tend to label myself an atheist, because explaining that I'm agnostic to > > the extent of allowing for the existence of an unknowable spirit who has no > > effect on the universe whatever (no other kind is supported by the evidence) > > is too much gafla to inflict on your random minister (although I'm happy to > > tell Jehovah's Witnesses all about it, it messes with their world view). > > To be short, ditto. I find it ends a conversation (that I don't want to plow > through YET AGAIN) quicker if I just say I am an atheist, rather than saying I > am agnostic. > > I have had JWs come to my door, I tell them that while I have read The Bible > in it's entirety (KJ version, I believe, it's been more than 15 years since I > read it), it's just an interesting book to me, I am an atheist. Boy do they > leave fast Tom/Larry or whomever... (Too busy to read what's already been discussed... I just caught your post on the news main page... so I'm sure you'll let me know if I've missed something... :-) ) No offense intended, but my philosophy courses taught me that there really isn't anyone who is actually an atheist. Agnosticism is more defensible than atheism. An atheist says there is no God. An agnostic says they don't know. An atheist claims to know something with certainty, which the realist agnostic realizes is impossible... For the atheist to know that there is no God, he would have to know everything, and would then be a sort of god himself. Sorry - atheists are kidding themselves. I doubt anyone who's honest can say they're an atheist, they're probably just a confused agnostic... -Jon (my 2 cents)

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		Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) Actually, I think it fits because, as in Larry's case, he doesn't WANT to know God as he perceives Him to be. The problem is his perception of what God is. And yet, in my opinion, the blame for so many who are utterly repulsed by the thought (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) No offense back, but I believe that you were failed by your education. (...) The idea that one philosophy is more defensible than another does not negate those who adhere to the less defensible philosophy. (...) And a Christian says there is a (...) (24 years ago, 3-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) To be short, ditto. I find it ends a conversation (that I don't want to plow through YET AGAIN) quicker if I just say I am an atheist, rather than saying I am agnostic. I have had JWs come to my door, I tell them that while I have read The (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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