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(...) Aye, Kevin, I do that too. Me and my dad go out with videocameras and trail timers yearround and take pictures and movies and such. But shooting things with a videocamera doesn't put food on the table. I like deer meat, and that's why I hunt, (...) (24 years ago, 30-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just out of curiosity Chris, if you don't like the actual killing part, why not hunt with a camera instead? The actual hunt part should be just the same, but instead of killing the creature you get as good and close a pic as you can manage. (...) (24 years ago, 30-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi again, I think that this will forever be our stumbling block. I presume that you base these theories on a holy text of some kind rather than observable phenomina? (Except, of course, the bit about the relationship between prey and predator (...) (24 years ago, 30-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) to (...) Well, it's not in response to anyone; I've just been sitting back looking at the whole issue over animals and cruelty and the like develop, and I just decided to voice my opinions, on a somewhat related although different matter, if (...) (24 years ago, 30-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Responsible Hunting (was Re: We are what we eat. Or is that "whom we eat?")
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<snip> (...) Thanks Larry. I attribute my thoughtfullness and values to my father. He's taught me to respect the animals and the land, all that good stuff. I wish all hunters could have a positive influence such as this. If they did, maybe we (...) (24 years ago, 30-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I guess this was in response to me, though I'm not exactly sure how. I hate to risk trying to connect it to the topic before which was based on rights and responsibilites since that doesn't seem to be the main point. So I'll take an approach (...) (24 years ago, 30-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Responsible Hunting (was Re: We are what we eat. Or is that "whom we eat?")
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(...) <snip> (...) And some of the non-hunters as well. I personally don't hunt, don't personally care for it, but I think it's a good skill to have. And I wish all hunters were as thoughtful as Chris. Hunters indeed were the first conservationists. (...) (24 years ago, 30-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Franklin W. Cain" <fwcain@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:FrsKE4.B4v@lugnet.com... (...) Hear, Hear I agree with you completely (24 years ago, 29-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But if it's blue, it might be on sale. Yuck! Chris (24 years ago, 29-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Responsible Hunting (was Re: We are what we eat. Or is that "whom we eat?")
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OK, I think I'll step in now and rant a bit. This has nothing to do with nutritional value, or anything like that, just my overall view. This'll be a long one... I hunt. Deer, rabbit, squirrel, and pheasant. Deer for the most part. Now, I've been (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) do (...) are (...) I didn't contradict that. Note above that in my attempt to show what you were saying, I state that eating is a need. So it is what you said...right? (...) I agree with this for the most part. Many predatory fish will eat the (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, that's your interpretation of it, but that's not what I said. "Rights" are an artificial construct of humans so that they can better live together. Eating is a one of our most basic needs, not a right. (...) I explained why I feel they are (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) Your claim was that the 'need' to do something (eat) granted the 'right' to do something (kill (almost) anything). But you reject the first analogy that I tried relating the hunting of deer to the hunting of people. So I tried relating the (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) To further the line of ungermane thoughts, I think it's safe to say that more people have died from club attack than nuclear weapons. I'm not sure why that seems significant at this time, but it does. Chris (24 years ago, 28-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) That may be his assertion, but I would say that nuclear weapons are the natural outcome of eons of development too. The entire time that we've been growing more efficient at eating mroe things, we've been growing more efficient in defending (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: MF at etoys.com <snipped>
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In lugnet.market.shopping, Larry Pieniazek writes: *** much editing (...) This is pretty clear. Either you are a first time customer or your not. Whether eToys should have some different checking mechanism that just checking the email address is up (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.shopping)
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| | Re: MF at etoys.com <snipped>
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(...) True, most people have multiple email addresses. That's one correct statement in the paragraph, anyway. Let's go to the eToys site, shall we: (URL) from that page (with some snippage of complete sentences...) Restrictions: This offer is valid (...) (24 years ago, 27-Jul-00, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, "best-selling" because they give a copy away with every PC Gateway sells, seems like. ++Lar (24 years ago, 27-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The biggest terrestic sauropsid species today is the Komodo Dragon...... (...) the (...) variations in (...) Yes, because it is a selective advantage for poisonous animals to let their possible predators know that they are poisonous.... I (...) (24 years ago, 27-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mark Herzberg (...) getting a new $1.2 billon 99 gate terminal for northwest (24 years ago, 27-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) These are rather sweeping statements. I find them to be an interesting contrast to something else you posted recently" "Yup. People who put down other people for their interests are just trying to boost their own egos by putting down those of (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jul-00, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Dinosaur Color Scheme
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(...) just because I'm feeling combatative, I figured I'd challenge you on this ... what recent species are you extrapolating from? Many many reptiles and amphibians display massive variation in their coloration: lizards tend to have lighter (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jul-00, to lugnet.adventurers, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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(...) It was never officially released, I beleive it got tabled after post-produciton was completed because, well, it was so heinous that parties feared it would do nothing but further hurt the image of Marvel properties as movie subjects. Which was (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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(...) Eh... yes and no. Some of it takes place in the time after Kingdome Come. Some of it takes place in the time before Kingdom Come. I don't want to go into too much in case you read it at some point, but there is time travel involved. eric (24 years ago, 25-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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Eric Once again thanks for your insight and opinion. Good to see that you also didn't care for Liefeld (if you did I might have to stop talking to you, Ha ha). I think his copycat comic was (or is) Fighting American now that you mention it. I'd (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) You are right, it is not germane. :-) Or to put it another way: you go hunting with a nuke? I don't see how the "right" (need, whatever) to use nukes relates to killing some animal for food (which is what this was about). It's a weird tangent (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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I never read Kingdom... since the art wasn't by Alex Ross :^D I thought it was supposed to be a prequel to Kingdom Come? ~Mark (24 years ago, 25-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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(...) Not officially- not even on video! I have seen some stills (one SGI developer's kit had a shot of the Human Torch using a fireblast to deflect some sort of beam, and there was at least one other) but that's all. I have talked to a lot of (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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(...) Was that ever released? I saw some production notes a few years ago, and it looked terrible! Up until X-Men, Marvel was entirely unable to make a superhero screen adaptation that wasn't awful, so it's nice to see a change at long last. I think (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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(...) Yeah, this is the place for stuff like this. I usually don't even read it, but I'm willing to brave the wilds to talk about comics. :D (...) Yeah. Liefeld... I'm not a big fan of his work. If I'm not mistaken, Liefeld is also responsible for (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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(...) <snip> (...) Then you should probably know that Ross actually wrote the basic story behind Kingdom Come. In fact, the reason he refused to take part in the sequel "Kingdom" event (written wholly by Mark Waid) is that "Kingdom" ignored some of (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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Eric You make some excellent points and are obviously a huge comic book fan (which I commend). Being rather new to LUGNET I wasn't sure where my follow up message would be posted but it was nice that it ended up in this "off topic" area. This area (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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Hmm, just a random potshot here. (...) If what defines us is our use of tools and our ability to manipulate the environment instead of just react to it, both of which are due to our ability to reason in a self aware manner, how are a club and a (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) Essentially. One is at an extremely basic level, the other is not. Inferring too much from them as a matching set is fraught with hazards. Best to make the point with some other example. Bruce (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) Major snippage thoughout - not because the discussion points were unworthy, but that it got to be too sprawling and too conuterproductive to the main theme. (...) I was talking about ME, not you. You snipped my explanation of such. :-) (...) (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) I'm only offering a quick $.02, since this isn't my branch of the debate, but I'm perceiving a miscommunication of intent here. I think Bruce's assertion is that the biological need for food and the need for the means to acquire food have (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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Just to help you out a bit, the least expensive course for you would be to get the Kingdom Come graphic novel by Mark Waid with art by Alex Ross (my hero). It's available pretty cheap on amazon.com. The story basically deals with a future earth (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) But in the world of predators and prey, one is attacked. One must be able to defend oneself. (...) to (...) Defense we gotta do. (...) important (...) It is ultimately about pain and suffering. And it is ultimately about killing. Both are (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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(...) That's what lugnet.off-topic.debate is for. :D (...) Ah. Well, ok, that is very different from "non-violent". Even so, there are certainly comics that *are* very violent (see Garth Ennis' current 12-part Punisher storyline)- but they actually (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Building the A10 Thunderbolt "Warthog"
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Um, not to be a pain, but I don't think this discussion belongs in lugnet.off-topic.debate... It probably doesn't belong in lugnet.starwars anymore either (and does it really need to be in lugnet.general?) Follow-ups to: lugnet.admin.general (I wish (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.build, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.general)
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| | Re: Mecha Legs
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(...) Depending on what one is trying to accomplish, I don't see a problem with copying others designs. I have seen several nice setups which have extensively used stock LEGO sets. I plan on copying Larry Pieniazek's hopper (of course in that (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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Eric While I hate to continue this discussion on Comic Books here, for lack of anywhere else to go I will. I am well aware that Captain America is hardly "non-violent", yet I can also say that in the many years I've been reading his comics I can (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Flesh eaters stole my brain (was Re: Why is cockfighting bad?
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(...) Is that really true? Cows can breed with bison, so it's hard to imagine that they can't breed with their forebears. (Don't they come from European water buffalos or something?) I also recal a story from somewhere, maybe a class, where some (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) TIME WARP WARNING: My replies do not always follow a chronological sequence. Explanations to such lurk somewhere in the middle. (...) This (...) Aha! What we need is a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy beast that kills it self (humanely). :-) (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Flesh eaters stole my brain (was Re: Why is cockfighting bad?
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(...) Here's an odd twist to think about: most (all?) domesticated animals, especially farm animals, are sufficiently different from their wild bretheren that they can be considered separate species. Also, if we can raise meat in a vat, we can (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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(...) Dude, I hate to break it to you, but Cap doesn't just hide behind that sheild like a shirking violet. He has been known to (gasp) hit people with it- even throw it at them! That's really no less violent than X-Men. (...) Unfortunately, the (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) I'm not sure why I thought that--it seemed likely that you'd object on some grounds, but given what you said later in the post, I suppose it *is* a consistent assertion. (...) As a matter of fact, I'm floating disembodied in a tank and (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Flesh eaters stole my brain (was Re: Why is cockfighting bad?
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(...) What friends? ;-) (...) anything (...) I don't mind if you eat meat from vats. As I said, I might even do so a bit to try it out. I find myself very rarely wanting sausage or bacon. (...) Yup. (...) Let the technology and the market worry (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) Cool, thanks. (...) My primary criterion is pain. There is a bunch of more aesthetic than logical stuff coloring what I think is OK to eat, but pain is the big thing. And do you mean that the animal lucked into mobility or thought? Either way, (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Football sets!
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(...) It is indeed a thinking man's game. "I think I'll have another beer and sing another bawdy dirge." ;) Actually, we had a rugby team in college (in the US, no less!) that included quite a few of the honors students and, notably, the captain was (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | Re: Flesh eaters stole my brain (was Re: Why is cockfighting bad?
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(...) C'mon Lar--don't cloud the issue with a call for facts! Actually, I'll have to recheck my info. Maybe it *was* earthworms, and they're not half as crunchy as insects. To digress re: Ant Weight, here are a few tidbits I came across: from (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Flesh eaters stole my brain (was Re: Why is cockfighting bad?
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This debate has been churning along (very) nicely (and quite civilly, as these go, I think the same old players are getting better at debating nicely) without too much input from me since I ducked and ran (:-) but one nugget here got me to thinking. (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) I admit that I was a little more sharp-tongued than the situation justified, and if so I certainly apologize. I was reacting to "Bzzzt. Wrong answer" more than anything else, which has always struck me as an attempt to belittle the opposing (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mecha Legs
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(...) Well said. But I'd like to voice a different opinion on the whole issue. This whole thread originated when Mladen offered a sneak peak at his current mecha project, and Rob asked Mladen if he could use "a scaled down version of those legs" in (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) It doesn't sound like you're a middleman from your description. (...) So? Which members of society is it that you imagine to owe you a living? You, and all people, can change with the times or be left behind. We have VMS admins at work who are (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry PotterLego Line))
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Not to mention the economies would just shift to compensate - nothing says the beef would all be grown in labs out of the control of farmers. Smarter farmers would create collectives and invest in the technology, with each farmer getting a share. (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) I understand your points about the agricultural economy, and I understand about the aesthetic differences, but I think you have the disease equation bass-ackwards. In a lab, the meat could be kept 99.999% disease-free. Beef that's released (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) all (...) it (...) chunks, (...) thicknesses to (...) farmers (...) You're right Tom, we sure would. I'm from Iowa, and 18. Although my family doesn't raise cattle, it IS one of the main sources of income for this entire state. Three things: (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) Oh, I REALLY doubt that. Vat-grown meat could be tailored with a specific fat content, and be basically ready to eat right out of the vat - the cutting into "steaks" could be roboticized (or the meat could be grown in "steak" shaped chunks, or (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) Perhaps not... think about all that's required to maintain, for instance, Beef production. You need lots and lots of land, you need to keep your cattle healthy, feed them, move them about, etc. If someone were to come up with a relatively (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) really (...) rock (...) Cool example. I have acknowledged that there is fuzziness. But at least so far as examples of sentience I think that having eyes counts. I'm not sure that gets it off the hook regarding my morals about eating. (...) (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) Sorry about this first bit, but I want to get it squared away. Through the comment: (...) It sounds like you think I'm being less than congenial. Through the comments: (...) It seems to me that you're not being fully congenial. But in other (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) Right, OK, I see what you want now. It is wrong to cause pain in others. This may either be 'commuted' or ignored (depending on how you look at it) when it is needed for your survival. (...) them. One has to eat something and one has to defend (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) was (...) - (...) Fair enough. Hmmmm, situational ethics, though. Them's the breaks, I guess. (...) As long as they understand the situation...okay, I might not agree with what you define as evil, but its a reasonable process. (...) Yes, that (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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Gosh, these are getting long. (...) organic (...) The former. I believe that it was not evil when it was the only option. That is not the nature of evil. (...) If a person or people are given the chance to improve their moral ground, and do not, my (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) Oh, brother. I always marvel at the cleverness of that answer. (...) Since you're arbitrarily deciding what does and doesn't qualify as sentient, I'd say you're being inconsistent. You've demonstrated that you don't care to confront this in (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) The box jellyfish -- posessing eyes but no central nervous system -- sees a danger and swimg away from it, but does it perceive it? (...) It's a matter of degree. The brain is simply a well-tuned bundle of cells that automatically reacts to (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) If (...) They are equal in that life is extinguished by both. (...) I'll get to you description below, but for now: Bzzzzt. Thanks for playing. (...) Maybe somewhat arbitrary, but not, I would say inconsistent. (...) Right, but there is (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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(...) our (...) So it is only now that it is immoral, and not in previous generations? Or was it a necessary immorality all along? Hmmmmm (I'm pondering this, by the way - the questions are just questions). (...) What if their culture chooses to (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Oh gosh...lots of comments to make. Don't you people realize I need to get some work done ;-) (...) what makes us different from other living things, if (...) You say this and don't seem to answer it? What are your thoughts about the differences and (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes: (snipping all the things previous that I agree with - excellent analysis) (...) Indentured servitude did not give over the right to life, but it was form of slavery, so I would disagree with this (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If (...) in (...) resorting (...) Clever enough to balance our diets and clever enough to invent and operate a food production system that can produce all the food (and more) that we need without killing (well, I supose tractors do kill field (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Those are the most important ones to work through. It's neat to pat yourself on the back and show off how good you are, but it's nothing compared to finding a hole and fixing it. (...) Why? Too busy? (...) I agree with all this. (...) OK. (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've been to a LOT of steakhouses(1) and rib places and prime rib places and I confirm that Outback is not that great. It's good enough if you don't have 3 hours and don't want to spend 50 bucks a head (not including wine)... you can 1 - I (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) If (...) the (...) decide (...) in (...) keeps (...) is (...) That's fine. But you weren't the one that recognized your infirm footing. I would not say that to someone who was unwilling or unable to examine the moral logic from the (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) (...) Dude! That is so cool. I wanna go to Hawaii to see it ('course I'd hate to see the rest of that particular tropical paradise while there :-). I mean, this is like the next big break if they can make it smart enough to feed itself. (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Darn it, hit send too early, I forgot one... (...) because (...) Peter: "all this arguing confuses me. Me, I'm just the lawnmower." ++Lar (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Thanks. So some hundreds or thousands of robot generations down the road, when these meat eating lawn mowers have evolved enough to have conversations about morality, they are going to argue something as follows: Robbie: "it's OK to eat meat. (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think if I had gone to one I would understand the fascination. I always regreted not going to the bullfight when I was in Spain. I think it has to do with a built in bloodlust. I know Puerto Ricans have it. (...) Jorge Rodríguez (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've got a bit of experience on this general topic, as I also get many, many emails every week from people asking me if they can use my Pallas Spaceworks designs. I am also rather sensitive about this topic, because I am an Industrial (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I have to say that I am glad that Larry has chosen to allow one to purchase the rights to make unlimited copies for personal use. This has allowed me to take the extra step to recognize Larry's contributions by actually buying a copy of the (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Interesting debate. I'm not sure I can do this justice with my head hurting the way it is, but bear with me while I explore some thoughts. One thing which is clearly an issue in this debate ultimately comes down to what makes us different from other (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay heres my take on this. I'm going to give you Ldraw numbers so have your parts list handy... Naboo canopy for the back. It's the only one. I think you could try 2437, its the windsheild that comes with most town aircraft. On top of the put (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.build, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.general)
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(...) (snipping freely if I don't have a point to make) (...) Why is it clearly not needed? Because we are now clever enough to balance our diets properly such that we can get all the nurtients we need without resorting to meat? Is that true over (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What timing -- just stumbled onto this from a robotics site: (URL) an article entitled "Scientists plan meat-eating robot." Enjoy. --Todd (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm right there with you, Tom. A good friend of mine is a vegetarian because of the whole cruelty-to-animals thing. Every once in a while I ask him why he wears leather. He never has come up with any kind of sensible response. OTOH, I don't (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am equally convinced that anyone who every person who eats plants must acknowledge the fundamental equality between vegetarianism and carnivorism insofar as the both pertain to the consumption of (once) living (and, as I explain below, (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can comfortably say I will NEVER stop eating meat (barring an accident that keeps me from chewing/swallowing food, or meat being outlawed). I don't care if it is "needed" or not, I LIKE it, I am an omnivore. I also feel that people shouldn't (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Oh boy, I am in over my head on this one. Rather than analyse in depth every one of Chris's point by point responses (well done as usual), I think I'll try to take the easy way out and say why I think I'm on thin ice as a meat eater and leave it at (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't you believe it. He probably want's you to give up on the tooth fairy too. (...) I agree with this lots and lots. Chris (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I typed out a long response and in the end decided that it wasnt' worth it. Chris (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with this bit, but I'll get to sentience a bit further down. (...) Never? You allude further down to being close (at least) to buying in to the idea that you're rationallizing somewhere. Mightn't you change your mind? If not, why not? (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) subject! (...) discount (...) I'm not sure either... But I don't think that's quite correct. if I buy a CD, I don't think I have the right to have it playing in both my car and my house at the same time. I could be wrong though. I'm pretty (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm fascinated by all of this, because I know almost nothing about the subject! In lugnet.publish, Larry Pieniazek writes of his quite cool design: (...) Isn't there some law allowing a consumer to copy a CD or tape for his/her own use as long as (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, at the time I hadn't read it all the way through (sadly, now I have). I'll stick with the assertion I made that there were allegations of copying of models without proper credit being given. But I'd agree with you that was not the case in (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It wasn't that at all. Someone asked nicely if he could use the design posted online, and the request was denied in a rude way. Proper credit would certainly have been given. (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey look; it's me and Larry in complete agreement. :) The DMCA apparently has a new form of intellectual property for the design of boat hulls. (From what I've read, yes, it is that limited and special purpose. If anyone has any more info on (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. Thanks for the reminder. (...) No, I wouldn't make that claim at all. It has happened already, in fact. I may not like it but so what? I said as much in a post to off-topic.debate (this slugfest is wriggling around to a lot of (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) <snip> I'm sorry it all happened as well. I really didn't expect for my small disagreeing remark to be met with swearing, hostility, and accusations. Even if my comment was technically incorrect, I would expect anyone to maintain (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All day yesterday I sat there and debated whether or not I should weigh in on this ... and come back today, and find I missed the flurry altogether. Ah well, better late than never ... [WARNING: this is long - I have a tendency to ramble ;)] (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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