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Re: Violence in comics (was Re: A General Question About Castle World)
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Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:55:11 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Andrew Krug writes:
> You make some excellent points and are obviously a huge comic book fan (which
> I commend). Being rather new to LUGNET I wasn't sure where my follow up
> message would be posted but it was nice that it ended up in this "off topic"
> area. This area seems more used than any other on LUGNET.
Yeah, this is the place for stuff like this. I usually don't even read it, but
I'm willing to brave the wilds to talk about comics. :D
> While I like the current Captain America writing and artwork (done by Jurgens,
> Kubert, and Green) I almost gave up about a year or so ago during Rob
> Liefeld's stint with both Cap and the Avengers. Talk about some crappy art
> work and storylines!!!! WOW! Good thing Stan Lee got his head out of his butt
> and came to his senses in time to fire Liefeld and save Captain America before
> all his fans left in disgust.
Yeah. Liefeld... I'm not a big fan of his work. If I'm not mistaken, Liefeld
is also responsible for the character Cable, who embodies in a lot of ways what
was wrong with comics for a while there (he was supposed to be a mutant, but
favored a Big Gun instead of his powers).
> Things have been much better since, although I
> saw that Liefeld now has a Captain America like clone comic with some other
> brand name (not Marvel or DC) and he looks just like the terrible Cap he drew
> for Marvel with a slightly different color scheme. Give me a break!
I know exactly the character ou're talking about, I just can't remember the
name- Fighting American, American Flagg, something like that. I can even
picture the action figure they made of him... anyway, he was actually a revival
of a much older character that some people claim pre-dates Cap. Of course, if
you have a character published for 4 or 5 years from 1938 to 1942 (these are
hypothetical numbers) and then you have Cap, who's essentially been around the
whole time (well, he was revived first in Avengers #4 anyway) it's pretty clear
who is the more established character.
> In reference to one of your earlier comments about the Captain America movie I
> must agree it was terrible. There were actually two or three such movies and
> they were all REALLY BAD!!
Heh. I still haven't seen Roger Corman's "Fantastic Four" movie, but I really
want to. Supposedly it's just about the worst superhero movie ever!
> I think it was very tough to pull off a good (aka.
> realistic) superhero movie or TV show and make it convincing (I sight
> Superman, Wonder Woman TV Show, and the Incredible Hulk TV Show, Captain
> America Movie, Punisher Movie, etc...). After seeing X-Men however I think
> that technology has finally caught up enough to make them downright
> outstanding.
I'm in complete agreement there. I'm not even a huge X-Men fan, and I've
already seen it twice and plan to see it again.
> And the way the X-Men movie ended there is tons of room for
> multiple sequals (is it too much to ask for perhaps a Captain America cameo
> appearance in a future movie???).
That would be really cool- I've always loved the adamantium claws vs
adamantium-vibranium alloy sheild debate. Unfortunately, there's little
reference to any kind of superhero community outside of mutants in "X-Men"...
although Jean Grey does know what adamantium is, which would imply that it did
exist before Wolverine- and Wolverine was created to be a Canadian
super-soldier in response to American and Russian super-soldiers... hmm....
> I will need to check out Kingdom Come. I've seen the Marvels line that
> someone mentioned and thought it was pretty good. As always I appreciate
> everyones feedback and look forward to more discussion in the future.
I should probably warn you that it is a DC book, but that shouldn't stop you,
really! When you do read it, let me know what you think. :D
eric
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