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Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
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Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:12:01 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
I tend to think of nerves and some kind of processor as being needed to really
consider it sensation.  But maybe it's fuzzier than that.  I'm not sure your
plant-based examples count.  A rock gets hot when the sun shines...is the rock
sensing the sun?

The box jellyfish -- posessing eyes but no central nervous system -- sees a
danger and swimg away from it, but does it perceive it?

Well, we can clearly state that plants don't _know_ anything about their
surroundings.  They don't feel pain.  They don't have purpose or drive.  They
autonomically react to chemical etc. stimuli.

It's a matter of degree.  The brain is simply a well-tuned bundle of cells
that automatically reacts to chemical stimuli.  And a root *will* seek out
nutrients.  A stressed tree *will* go into shock.  It's the same behavior as
seen in life forms of any level of complexity.

Cheers,
- jsproat



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  Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
 
(...) really (...) rock (...) Cool example. I have acknowledged that there is fuzziness. But at least so far as examples of sentience I think that having eyes counts. I'm not sure that gets it off the hook regarding my morals about eating. (...) (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Why is cockfighting bad? (was: Pokemon (was: Harry Potter Lego Line))
 
(...) If (...) They are equal in that life is extinguished by both. (...) I'll get to you description below, but for now: Bzzzzt. Thanks for playing. (...) Maybe somewhat arbitrary, but not, I would say inconsistent. (...) Right, but there is (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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