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In lugnet.market.shopping, Bryan Hodges writes:
> In lugnet.market.shopping, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > > This is for new customers only, but it is pretty easy to get around (use a
> > > different e-mail address).
> >
> > Which, by the way, is fraud, technically. It's up to you of course whether
> > it's a big enough fraud to not do it.
> >
> > ++Lar
>
> Actually, it's only fraud if you misrepresent yourself as a different person.
> Just 'cause you use a different e-mail address doesn't mean you're trying to
> defraud a company. As long as you input your correct name and information it
> should all be legal. Most people have multiple e-mail addresses.
True, most people have multiple email addresses. That's one correct statement
in the paragraph, anyway.
Let's go to the eToys site, shall we:
http://www.etoys.com/html/e_twentypercent.shtml?c=wc100A2
Quoting from that page (with some snippage of complete sentences...)
Restrictions:
This offer is valid for first-time customers only.
First-time customer coupons are valid on your first-ever purchase at eToys
only.
end quote
We've discussed this before, actually. It pretty clearly states that this
coupon is good for first time customers only. What makes a customer? I don't
sit on the supreme court, mind you, but I would tend to say that a customer is
either a person, or a legal entity of some sort such as a corporation or
partnership with a formal legal identity. Not just an email address.
I am the same person no matter where I geographically happen to be, no matter
what postal address you reach me on, no matter what telephone number you happen
to call me on. Courts tend to draw precedent by analogy, so almost any court is
also going to hold that I am the same person no matter which of my email
addresses you reach me on, and that a reasonable interpretation of "limit one
per customer" does not include using multiple email address to pretend to be
different people.
Unless you're going to argue that you are legally several people because you
have several email addresses, which I doubt is going to stand up in court, my
assertion stands. It's fraud to use multiple email addresses to pretend to be
multiple people when actually you are only one.
I shan't tell you what to do about it, but it's pretty clear cut to me.
Technically fraud. Do what you want but don't claim differently to me.
> Of course, if you do it knowingly, get caught, and then lie saying that you
> didn't know you had another account, then there's probably a good case for
> fraud. But if you tell the truth that you input the info with a new e-mail
> address to get the discount there's not much they can do but make you pay the
> extra 20%, because you didn't misrepresent anything.
Bunk. At least it is now, you personally can no longer plead ignorance without
lying because I just told you.
++Lar
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