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(...) Do we have any of those here? (biblical scholars who know what they're talking about, I mean, I wasn't casting aspersions on everyone as far as knowing what they're talking about, mind you...) If we don't do we have to take your word for it on (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm thinking it doesn't. At least not the first one. The second one maybe. But that's a topic for somewhere in the .admin hierarchy, and I just gave you my personal opinion not an official pronouncement... I'll look into it and get back to you (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You know what, in my crazier moments I'd be happy to leave the definition of "marriage" to whatever non governmental sanctioning bodies wanted to sanction it, and they can define it however they like. As part of that leaving I'd then go (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) wow> Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) OK, so here's how I see it. When I see A s s h o l e printed out, I think that world to myself. When I see A-hole printed out, I think the same exact word to myself and just a little side-adendum in my mind about why they used that (local (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It looks like using the (URL) is ~ok~. Scott A (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So you don't know? Do you accept the work of these "scholars" without question? Your reply reminded me that you once said this: "I come from a traditional that believes that each and every person has direct access to God without the need of (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Events in Iraq have proved that. Scott A (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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????? JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Good. I guess I didn't catch the irony in his statement (with no winky to guide me:-) JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) lol Because it's a non-issue! I'm guessing it is a tit for tat when Kerry was overheard swearing at that secret service agent while he was snowboarding... (...) The point is civility. We dance around those terms as a way of showing respect to (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's not what I think-- it is what biblical scholars think. So again-- leave the exegesis to the ones who know what they are talking about. JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't get this issue. My guess is that Leahy and Cheney are both asses. And who cares if Cheney profaned a senator? I mean, I guess y'all do, but frankly, I think his remark was the most meritorious thing he's ever done in his life (that's (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Before I attempt this documentation, can you give me an idea of what would qualify as acceptable to you? Honestly, a scientific theory that can be falsified is, as an explanatory device, superior to non-falsifiable statements of faith, so I (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What makes you think the "ten virgins" are "bridesmaids for the bride"? Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Personally, I’d be more concerned about the flags flying over Bush’s gulags. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The "ten virgins" are bridesmaids for the bride, not whatever you seemed to be implying (polygyny). Or were you just making some throw-away joke? JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (snip) (...) I'm saying, he who has never dropped the F-bomb in conversation-- let him cast the first aspersion. (snip) (...) lol Please, Cheney has been around the block a few times. What it sounds like is that Leahy is an A-hole. But in (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, let's see... Jackson didn't resort to legal action to get himself installed as president against the will of the people. Jackson didn't spend $100M on ineffective negative campaigning against his opponent instead of actually talking (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If you'd read the header & not snipped quite so much text, you'd see I was talking about polygyny in NT "biblical times"; what are you talking about? Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What about when the self appointed "cops" start {breaking} the law? (...) One can not always choose which wars we want. The UK went to war with Nazi Germany knowing there was a chance we'd loose. Palestinians attack the IDF knowing they will (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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After hundreds of deaths, it looks like (URL) Bush has backed down>. Scott A (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, there's multiple layers at work here. The intellectual ones are: That form of protest should be, in order to maintain the psychological power that it holds, reserved for the very most important levels of dissatisfaction, not the trivial. (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I thought it was Jackson. Didn't he start the "to the victor go the spoils" politics in the US? Chris (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, we all understand what you're arguing. We just disagree with you. Chris (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) OK, what if it's equally valid to claim pagan-animist value system and governance because those are the antecedent of Judaism? (...) But since several of the thinkers of the time were openly hostile to religion in general and clearly not (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Could they, hypothetically speaking deny marriage to blacks by not recognizing their legal status or somesuch? Chris (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) False. I know you're a big states' rights guy. Actually, I am too. But one of the things that these sections of the constitution do is spell out limitations on the federal and state governments. The supreme court has supported that the rights (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Ah, see, but John wants to lock the entire world into {his} version of morality for eternity, and the rest of us can just go to hell if we don't like it. Attitudes like John's truly sicken me. (...) -- Tom Stangl *(URL) Visual FAQ home *(URL) Visual (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Herbertian Stillsuit? All wastes are routed to the shoulder pads on men and breast pads on women for eventual recycling. This explains how the fatter the actor got the bigger the shoulder pads got (eat more, excrete more, bigger shoulders to (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, it's a fairly old nickname, dating back to the days when ST:V was still in original episodes (possibly even to her first year on the show). I mean, think about it. She's a Borg. She eschews all of the "silly" trappings of human life in (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, I watched the entire series twice through in the course of about a year (I missed a few eps the first time around, but I think I caught them all the second run through). Besides, she's a Cardassian, not a Kazon (and after the ad they ran, (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, well it must be OK then. (...) F-no, but the fact is, resorting to such an angry retort is the last resort of someone who cannot justify their actions with reason. Allow me to illustrate with a recent anecdote... I got a flat tire on my (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No. The obscurity is why you are so fixated on wishing for the permanence of that definition. (...) I understand they use a slightly different definition in Utah. (...) Whether or not you or I like the definition is irrelevant. Things change, (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What I was driving at is: if you were to express dissatisfaction, why wouldn't you choose to burn a flag? I was never questioning the right to do it; I was questioning the wisdom of doing it. JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) Here>'s some info about "flag ettiquette" you may find interesting. ROSCO (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes, wouldn't it be refreshing if the President cared more about the truth and less about pushing personal political predilictions? If the press cared about the truth, they would have been calling for an independent prosecutor to look into the (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because it's a freedom of speech issue. Same as I support the right of the KKK to march, wear silly sheets, and say mean things(1), while choosing not to actually march, sheetify, or mean-emit with them. Some constitutional scholar you are! (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Would that be the Los Angeles Times and Orange County Register which both supported his invasion of Iraq? Sounds to me like The Conservative Press is kissing his backside, not kicking it. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The Senate wasn't in session at the time. You aren't implying that Cheney is the only member of the Senate to have ever dropped the F-bomb are you? Because if that is the case, we shouldn't respect any of them. Hey.... :-) JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, so it's only on the floor of the US Senate that he deserves no respect. That's a relief... - Chris. (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, wouldn't it be refreshing if the press cared more about the truth and less about pushing personal political predilections. JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is what I'm talking about. You support the right, but wouldn't actually perform the action. May I ask why not? JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Awww come on, John, the American Press don't hate the prez, they love him! He gives them so many ideas for newspaper-selling stories! In fact most recent presidents seem to have the same effect on the press. ROSCO (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If he ever says it personally to you or me; no. JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As far as you know;-) S P O I L E R-> I forget which season it is (the last perhaps?), but Seska makes one last return in a totally implausible but totally enjoyable episode:-) (...) I will say that some of the episodes were very enjoyable; (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "69" LOL Hadn't heard that one before:-) JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) EUREKA! Really, is it that obscure what I'm arguing? (...) I don't know what you mean. Provide examples, if you please. (...) I don't think marriage, until rather recently, has ever been defined as anything other than the union of 1 man and 1 (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The fact that many states expressly forbid it. If it's illegal, it's illegal. Anyone who feels that it's unjust has the right to try to have the laws changed to make it legal, but until they do...it's still illegal. I'm not sure exactly how (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) On the basis that if an incumbent president is voted out of office it generally means a dissatisfaction with his policies with no means of offering distinction as to which specific policies were the cause, yes. Clinton was comparatively soft (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, you seem to have a problem with the term 'marraige' being redefined. The point is that marraige has been redefined many times in the past and has many different definitions today. The point is that marraige is defined by whatever the (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, it's the whole thing with how networks were convinced for so long that the only way a sci-fi show could survive is if it has the Star Trek name attached to it, but then here we are where the name has become something of a pariah, and other (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ok. So if your not using religon what is your justification for disallowing them to enter into a contract. Seriously, you don't see how this is a blatant case of religious discrimination?! -Mike Petrucelli (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Can you prove that those ideals predate Judeism or the roots thereof? Show me some documented proof, not scientific theories. Even the great Stephen Hawking is recanting one of his most cherished theories today. (...) Just as the state's (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Noone is denying them the right to perform private religious ceremonies. They're just being denied the right to enter into a legally binding social contract. (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Marital status is a non-discrimination item, but that doesn't prevent the Catholic church from refusing to marry a divorced person. They can't be required to perform the ceremony if they can't be required to recognize the union, and forcing (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure how any of that relates to ST:E only (most likely) lasting four seasons (Paramount cut their per episode charges by something like half just so it would get picked up for a forth season). However, yes, I like being able to watch a (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Let's hope not :) If stated so, I have a hunch lots of people would start migrating over to the liberal side :) (...) Well, I doubt that's John's point since I don't think he's interested in making other laws to: - attend church on Sunday - (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pardon? A vote for Kerry is an encouragement to the terrorists? Are you on the GOP's payroll? One could as easily suggest that the terrorists, recognizing that a fanatical, crusading zealot is out of the driver's seat, might pause to see how a (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That doesn't give you the right to marry. It gives the states the right to either give or deny you the right to marry. Or to abstain from the matter altogether and let the local county and city governments deal with it. (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I suggest "1". (...) While I enjoyed TNG and I loved DS9, B5 just seemed less foofy from the start. Instead of shields they have a "defense grid". It consists of BFGs. One of them in particular looks like its barrel is at least large enough (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Really? That's kinda funny, given the external circumstances. Stargate recently started franchising, there are rumors that another B5 spinoff is in the works, and after the whole debate of whether ST or B5 was superior or which show stole (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So you agree that Dick Cheney doesn't deserve our respect? - Chris. (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I have said before, this is what happens when you have freedom without responsibility. Flag burning is a particularily unpatriotic and pointedly antagonistic expression of dissatisfaction that is frankly irresponsible. You can't tell (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I didn't mind the lack of those functions, as the holodeck stories often tended to be a bit too farfetched (just how many times can Starfleet-owned holodecks run rampant and threaten to kill members of their respective crews before they figure (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) After 9/11, everyone and their dog had flags on their cars, clothes, stickers, houses, etc. It didn't take very long for them to get really ratty. It's funny (to me personally, if no one else) that I find myself uncomfortable with the ratty (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No problem! Amendment IX - Construction of Constitution. Ratified 12/15/1791. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Amendment X - Powers of the States (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You better hurry and make up your mind about ST:E since this is undoubtedly the last season - the only reason they are limping through it is to get to the magical 100 episodes for marketing the re-runs. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is the sound of complete agreement. And as an example, I think US military should be in Sudan, though it's a little late. Chris (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Group marriages are pretty efficient at it too. More so, by every measure I can think of. The only stumbling blocks they suffer are legal challenges. Maybe if the nation were under threat of not reproducing enough, it would be in the interest (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, yeah, I don't think we should annex them. But if we're going to hang out we need to stop hemorrhaging. The way to do that is to break their will to resist. (...) Sure, that would be a wild, stunning and amazing victory. Fat chance. (...) I (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Look John, just because you're a sycophantic bushie fan-boy who'll believe any lie they tell us against all reason and evidence, don't expect the rest of us to fall for their big lies. It is frankly amazing that you expect the rest of us to (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes. As has been repeatedly been pointed out, by myself and others, going back to the *very beginning* of this newsgroup, we're a major causative factor, if not the primary reason, for Iraq's recent troubles. Some blame lays at the feet of the (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that is kind of the defining belief of "conservative," right? (...) But I think John believes that if the Bible says something, it is right. That's the measure of rightness. So he doesn't need to look farther. Chris (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure this is how it should be in the US with our legal precident. If sexual preference is a fully protected non-discrimination item, then private churches won't be able to refuse to marry them. Maybe this is what folks like John are (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The funniest part is that burning is the proper way to dispose of a flag when it is worn out and no longer "respectable." (...) Hear. Hear. The only threat to our way of life comes from D.C. -Mike Petrucelli (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Meanwhile, (URL) yet another attempt to establish a national relgious symbol. If the no-burning amendment ever passes, I'm heading to DC to wipe by backside with the flag in public view, or else I'll shred the flag to confetti and scatter it over a (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not certain that I follow the analogy, but maybe. So what if they think that? If I do what I believe is "right" each and every time I have to make a decision, they will learn what I have the stomach for. (...) I don't care what terrorists (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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snip the redundant redundancy (...) Incorrect, as some churches now support gay marraige, denying them the right to legally marry homosexuals is a violation of their religious freedom. "We have no right to prejudice another in his civil enjoyments (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If the claim is made that our state charter is founded on ideals dating to the birth of humanity, then evidence must be given to support that claim, or else it is a doctrine of religious faith (and an attempt to unite the state and religion). (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Three factors have always prevented me from enjoying the series. First, I can't stand most of the cast (Flounder and Tron and the woman from (URL) The Hidden,> et all). Second, I really really really don't like the CGI graphics, which to me (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm. It might have to take a number. I just got season 3 of ST:V, and I have yet to buy any TNGs or DS9s:-p (...) We are a bitterly divided country ideologically speaking. This upcoming election will be a harbinger of our next decade. I (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Nuts again. While I acknowledge ST:TOS as the mother of them all, and I watched it a little as a kid, it is too cheesy for my taste now. Ever since the third season of ST:TNG, however, they have all been gold. BUT, the jury is still out on (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "A Private Little War" from ST:TOS where the Klingons were arming one side, and Kirk had to arm the otehr side to keep the fight 'even'. Kinda like the Vorlons and Shadows... <snip> (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's never too late to get started. The entire series is out on DVD, along with the two more pivotal MfTV movies. All you'd really need to do is buy or rent the first three seasons, or even just the third season (since that's where this whole (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) They ascribe to the UUA core beliefs, such as they are, so they ascribe to some form of religious belief. Religion is defined as: 2a) any specific system of belief and worship, often involving a code of ethics and a philosophy. 2b) any system (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Last time I checked Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. They're not allowed to pass laws to prevent religious zealots from flavoring the law with their religious (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If they're only referring to the bible on the subject of determining punishment, as long as the punishment fits within the legal min/max limits, there are generally no strict legal guidelines for how they are to go about determining what (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Nuts! I am a huge fan of ST:TNG, ST:DN9, and ST:V, but I never got into B5. I guess I'll never know what you are talking about;-) (...) You are correct; I, however, would content that the vast majority of Iraqis want a free government and that (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Purple Dave" <purpledave@maskofdestiny.com> wrote in message news:I169rn.vn7@lugnet.com... (...) atheist (...) are (...) is, a (...) God} (...) simply (...) beliefs, no (...) uses the (...) all (...) There are UUs who have no religious beliefs (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) With its historical roots in the Jewish and Christian traditions, Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion -- that is, a religion that keeps an open mind to the religious questions people have struggled with in all times and places.> (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah, but in both cases, the U.S.S.R. was providing direct assistance on the other side of the fence. When one of the two world super-powers is supporting the opposing side of the conflict, there is no shame in asking the other one to help you (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) First of all, just because it might or might not predate Judeism (technically, by virtue of the fact that Adam is cited as talking to the same God that Abraham talked to, the informal roots of Judeism can be claimed to extend back to the dawn (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, I don't believe I've stated my opinion on whether gays should be allowed to marry, just on who should be able to say whether they can or can't (not the church, and not the federal government, because the US Constitution relegates (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would that be the "Law of $" theory? (...) I discovered a while back that they provide internet service outside of the US (specifically the UK, IIRC), so I no longer really consider the fact that non-Americans might not be familiar with them, (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As far as the state is concerned, the church doesn't, but the church does require itself to abide by the laws of the land. If the US government says gays can get married, it doesn't mean that the church would have to perform or even recognize (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) Found it>, or a case much like the one I was thinking of. Dave! (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Purple Dave" <purpledave@maskofdestiny.com> wrote in message news:I15x8G.s77@lugnet.com... (...) to (...) member of (...) Atheism, (...) While there may not be a "Church of Atheism", I guarantee there are atheist clergy who can and do perform (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I see your point and I agree. What is interesting, though, is the case of Germany and South Korea who, in essence, used US presence as "free" defense against Communism for about 50 years, so there is a precendent for this type of presence. (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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