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Re: Not the right way to exit?
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Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:06:01 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks wrote:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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> > > And, make no mistake we're losing it. This is a significant defeat, I think.
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> > What is the war for? What would constitute a victory? A defeat?
> >
> > > This WAS an unimportant war before it started...
> > > but if the US loses it, it's a defeat for the US, so it has become an important
> > > one to win. And I don't see how it CAN be won, any more.
> >
> > Is that to say that it is somehow critically important for the US to win every
> > war?
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> I liked Dave K's response here, so this is just embellishment.
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> As long as we bill ourselves as the world's policeman it is. As soon as cops
> can't enforce, they lose their power. That's where we are now.
What about when the self appointed "cops" start {breaking} the law?
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> But that's the wrong reason. We should win every war because any war we enter
> (that is to say, not many, if any) should be so clearly necessary that losing
> means that evil triumphs in a big way. Stick to that compass, and pay soldiers
> decently, and you won't have trouble keeping the volunteer army up to full
> strength.
One can not always choose which wars we want. The UK went to war with Nazi
Germany knowing there was a chance we'd loose. Palestinians attack the IDF
knowing they will loose.
> I suggest that the most telling damnation of this particular war is
> that the Pentagon is resorting to chicanery to keep soldiers fighting after they
> have theoretically fulfulled their obligations.
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> > Is it possible that it would be good for the American gestalt psyche for
> > us to lose a few? Maybe it would make us ask a few questions before going in.
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> Maybe but I don't really think it would be good for us to lose a few just to
> teach us a lesson. If you do, I guess I'd be willing to punch you in the nose a
> few times next time we meet, at your request, if you think it would help your
> world outlook (that's a facetious comment).
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> With respect to this particular one (despite the fact that we never should have
> entered) we are still marginally the good guys, let's review who we're now
> fighting, after all.
We are fighting a force which did not really exist before the war. The war's
inherent illegality and Bush's hypocrisy is radicalising opinion in the middle
east…. that (predictable) unfortunate consequence does not retrospectively
justify the war.
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//snip//
> I am an isolationist, insofar as that's possible in a
> globally interconnected world.
You sound just like Bush. ;)
Scott A
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