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Re: Not the right way to exit?
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Wed, 21 Jul 2004 01:16:46 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Laswell wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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I see your point and I agree. What is interesting, though, is the case of
Germany and South Korea who, in essence, used US presence as “free” defense
against Communism for about 50 years, so there is a precendent for this
type of presence. But, of course, the ideal would be for us to leave at the
soonest opportunity possible.
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Ah, but in both cases, the U.S.S.R. was providing direct assistance on the
other side of the fence. When one of the two world super-powers is
supporting the opposing side of the conflict, there is no shame in asking the
other one to help you out (in fact, it was kinda expected, as it was
basically the only way the US and U.S.S.R. could fight with each other
without destroying everything, kinda like the Vorlons and Shadows of B5).
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Nuts! I am a huge fan of ST:TNG, ST:DN9, and ST:V, but I never got into B5. I
guess I’ll never know what you are talking about;-)
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We
helped Afghanistan defend their nation from being forcefully annexed by the
Soviet Union (why they wanted it, I can’t imagine...), and that was fine and
well, but if we have to defend their new government from their own citizens
in order for it to survive, it’s not really a government “of the people”.
Likewise, if we stationed around the Iraqi border to prevent neighboring
countries from invading during the inevitable period of weakness following
having had their entire system of government thrown out the window, that
wouldn’t reflect badly on them, but if we have to keep the “free” people of
Iraq from overthrowing the government that we helped set up, how exactly does
that legitimatize the new government?
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You are correct; I, however, would content that the vast majority of Iraqis want
a free government and that the troublemakers are merely a few thousand, though
their impact is greatly magnified by an American press that would love nothing
better than for us to fail in our efforts in Iraq and thus reflect poorly on our
President whom they pathologically hate.
Breathe:-)
JOHN
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| (...) It's never too late to get started. The entire series is out on DVD, along with the two more pivotal MfTV movies. All you'd really need to do is buy or rent the first three seasons, or even just the third season (since that's where this whole (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) "A Private Little War" from ST:TOS where the Klingons were arming one side, and Kirk had to arm the otehr side to keep the fight 'even'. Kinda like the Vorlons and Shadows... <snip> (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Awww come on, John, the American Press don't hate the prez, they love him! He gives them so many ideas for newspaper-selling stories! In fact most recent presidents seem to have the same effect on the press. ROSCO (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Ah, but in both cases, the U.S.S.R. was providing direct assistance on the other side of the fence. When one of the two world super-powers is supporting the opposing side of the conflict, there is no shame in asking the other one to help you (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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