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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote (...) So tell me, how do we stop them taking what is ours by brute force, or simply degrading our environment by dying in it? Even if you don't have welfare you need some way to stop homeless people coming to (...) (25 years ago, 4-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sproaticus <jsproat@io.com> wrote (...) I would not descibe it as "funny", myself. But then I live in a country where genocide is legal. Not just legal, in fact, but government policy. Sorry, I meant "not current government policy, but definitely a (...) (25 years ago, 4-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(This wording took me a day to figure out. If I'm going to have Larry spend his time countering what I say, I'd better say something good. ;-) (...) Oops. :-P I concede your point. Cold fusion was a bad example of the failing of the scientific (...) (25 years ago, 3-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's funny how, when the topic of state executions comes up, so does the word "black". Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 3-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nah, the spider couldn't have been hit by gamma rays, or Peter Parker would have turned green! Steve (25 years ago, 3-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nothing is perfect, but I for one am glad when a person, who has been tried, and has appealed, is never again going to blacken someone's live by killing or raping a loved one. Scott S. (25 years ago, 3-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :) (...) I tend to agree. Mostly semantics. However, I'm used to calling it "faith" just to cover myself from getting into the whole "what is real?" argument. As I said, some existentialist can come along and say: "You just THINK you've got a (...) (25 years ago, 2-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37CE909B.EB040221@voyager.net> <FHFyw9.5nI@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to be argumentative, but... :-) (...) This may be semantics, but I just don't see it as "faith". We are reasoning (...) (25 years ago, 2-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, so it sounds like your definition of religion is something along the lines of: "a set of beliefs which are taken as true by faith, where these beliefs are not submitted as needing any sort of verification" Does that sound ok? (...) Well, (...) (25 years ago, 2-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37CE848C.90906C8C@voyager.net> <FHFsB1.J0L@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David: One could say that the essence of a religion is to take something on faith (else it is a philosophy or moral (...) (25 years ago, 2-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I saw this, and got intreuged... Maybe this has been covered in another thread of this debate (LMK if so), but I have a question... What defines a religion? Is it having faith in an ultimate source? If this kind of faith defines a religion, I (...) (25 years ago, 2-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Wow , same style of thinking..:-) Just check out my comments on the first religion debate: (URL) Hey friends, do you ever think about this?..All of the religions has their own types of ceremonies (I can't find a better word) and beliefs, which are (...) (25 years ago, 2-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yah, well, that depends on who you talk to. (...) But you can't discount it. Conspiracies do happen. But I don't think it would help my case if I were to argue this one! :-, (...) This is a mistake. You have no real reason to trust my word (...) (25 years ago, 2-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37CD2A57.50CEFE70@eclipse.net> <37CD66C3.8C44BCAF@io.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) When I reread this, it sounded like I meant to be suggesting that you don't know jack about science, and (...) (25 years ago, 2-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The first one: logic exists in its own right. It's not something we created or invented, but rather something we discovered. Pure logic (as in, say, DeMorgan's Theorem, for instance) existed long before humans ever used it, and it works (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought that excess gamma rays ripped your _clothes_ apart, not your flesh. That's what happened to Bruce Banner, anyway. :-) --Todd (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Quantifiable, depending upon your motives. If you're searching for the chemical reasons behind nitrogen bonding, scripture won't help you a whole bunch. (...) Yes, but you still have to take quite a lot on faith. Barring *personal* (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't mind the US government helping other countries in time of need, I mind people, such as yourself, calling the US selfish because we will not finance everyone's desire. Like I said before, it is the taxpayers money, not the governments, (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I snipped a bunch from of things from here, the problem seems that the message's length grows exponentially as more and more points arise that we want to respond to... then everything gets included for reference... etc. There was a bunch (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And their children? Is it their choice as well? Are you happy for their children to grow up in poverty? (...) Blimey - what planet do you live on??? Natural monopolies are a standard recognised part of economic theory. They occur for all sorts (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: Simon (URL) I just don't want to share heaven with murderers and torturers, no (...) OK - I may dislike a lot of what Christians say but I'm with Jesse on this one. The mistake I think you're (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I sent this reply to Larry instead of the debate group. Couldn't figure out where it was supposed to go. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> Newsgroups: lugnet.off-topic.debate Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 2:39 PM (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37CBE249.ED54241B@voyager.net> <FHDLLL.AM6@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Straw dog. Not even worthy of the straw man title. You're positing from false assumptions, then attacking your (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37CCA9E3.7A9A326D@voyager.net> <FHDLIu.AGD@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Troller. Stop it. Much easier than sterilization is merely to stop using taxes that way. It also has the (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ruthlessly snipped so I could snipe at a few points (...) Disagree. Whether we do it at all is INDEED the question. For those who choose not to make provisions for their future, or choose not to decide, still have made a choice. THEIR choice, THEIR (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37CC301A.3CA0F7FF@voyager.net> <37CC3EA0.A8F9596E@io.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I can see how it might appear this way to a religious person not very well acquainted with science, but I (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote (...) I know :( But they had the extremes of poverty and power that are the worst problems of Libertarianism. Moz (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote (...) "your taxes pay stupid people to breed". Perhaps we should sterilise the top and bottom 10% by wealth? Moz (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Stanley <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote (...) Yes. How we do so is the question, not whether we do it at all. Unless you have some cost-free way of removing them from society. (...) What's "yours" is vested in you by the government, and those (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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David Eaton wrote in message ... (...) <did you snip anything? This is still huge! Took me almost a week to reply...> (...) Basically, (...) thought (...) and (...) than (...) there. (...) very (...) think (...) emotion (...) is (...) definitions (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :) (...) I'd love a copy. Didn't get it from an online vendor, did you? (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Erm, technically, I think NZ is a two postage stamp country. (...) I have a bumpersticker I haven't dared put on the back of my car yet: "caution, stupid people are breeding" (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who said execution for any violation? Keep the open flames away from all that straw, please. Les Mis - seen the poster. Read some Dickens. Mostly bored with history after 479 AD. Wasn't aware that the French Revolution or any period in English (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So because a significantly significant number of people are stupid/selfish/non-f...d-thinking enough to not save ANY of their income over their entire working lives that justifies the taking of money from others to pay for their problems? (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Much better, thank you. To a certain extent I already knew this but it needed articulating for everyone else. I'm gonna snip away most of what you and I said, but I still have to focus on this part... (...) You bet it is. LOL. THIS is why I say your (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:37CC3897.1147B7...ger.net... (...) People can disagree on the details and still be one true faith, unless you define one true faith as 100% the same across the board, which doesn't happen (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:37CC346F.721177...ger.net... (...) Okay, that is "specific." Usually "specific" is referred to as meaning "stand up sit down say this get up sit down say that pray sing pray talk pray leave (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ed Jones <edboxer@aol.com> wrote in message news:FHByEv.FoH@lugnet.com... (...) to (...) If you're speaking of different religions, such as Christianity vs. Islam, it's because of differences in opinion in what counts as Holy text. If you're (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I know. I think I specifically mentioned wasting tons of money on it in another post. Dunno if you and I would differ on the whole drug crimes thing or not. Drug users who don't steal, etc, don't bug me much at all. The pot smokers can (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's so weird? The actually following through on thoughts of killing someone, I suppose. (...) I'd like to think otherwise, myself. The few times in my childhood and adult life that I have been truly angry enough to want to do physical harm (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you have any justification for believing that. Is logic something that exists in its own right or is it just something that we've created and which looks sensible because it happens to fit in with how our minds work? I'm sure I've seen one (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <CONJECTURE DISCLAIMER="(URL) Here's an analogy which may work: consider the rules pertaining our daily interactions with people. Be it in the store, in a bored meeting, at a basketball game, etc. we're all governed by rules. One should follow (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yah, well, we're basically having the same discussion as the whole Big Bang thing. Q: What happened before the Big Bang? A1: Nothing. Period. Matter didn't exist, energy didn't exist, nothing didn't exist. So there. A2: All matter and energy (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What I was talking about was Chaos Theory which, if I understood Dr. Malcolm in Jurassic Park correctly, is the *current* scientific rage. Einstein was about trying to uncover a unified theory of the universe. Post-Modern scientists are now (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can I use that as a test of valid religion, then? If they say they are the one true faith, they aren't??? That would help winnow a LOT of them out. (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So no specific kind is required? False Idols are OK? Ikons are in, or out? Name in vain is OK? Which of the commandments do I have to keep? All 10? best of 7? Seems pretty specific to me there. OK, OK, part of the issue really is the many (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) I got news for you, Mr. Science. The more we learn about the universe, the more we see how random it is and how little we do/can know about it. It is a God who represents order out of chaos. (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right... and you've just stumbled into one of my favorite anti-god arguments (1)... infinite regress. a Universe with god doesn't explain any more, or less than a universe without one. Positing a god to explain why the universe exists doesn't (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh -- if you're going to quote Spock... "Logic is not the end of understanding. It's a beginning." - STVI:TUC One of the things I loved most about Spock's character, is that he tried to be logical to a fault -- a hero's fatal flaw, if you (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok (...) Hey, I thought logic was only meaning_ful_ without feeling. That whole Spock thing, y'know? -- logic with feeling ain't really logic. (...) Hmmm. Well, this is one place where I kind of get confused. See, I believe that God didn't (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sproaticus wrote: <snip> (...) Yes, and that is my point. What does it matter? Why must we make it reconcile with what *we* believe? We try to make everything fit and reconcile perfectly. And folk like Larry can see right through that. Better to (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, actually no. There are certain alignments required if you want to see certain shapes... so one pass won't reveal every possible cross section. Stretching this analogy, it means that even an entire lifetime of contemplating the nature of (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, there are those who say that the story was passed down through Adam to Moses (or whoever took notes for Moses) from God. Presumably, God could have also set the record straight when he and Moses were conversing. Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The cube has a beginning and an end, doesn't it? The cube passing through the plane implies that, at some point, we witness every aspect of God. However, scripture indicates that very few people have even come close to this. It's probably more (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) judge, (...) Then explain why so many religions teach that they are the ONLY correct religion, that only THEY worship god correctly and that only THEY will go to heaven (Baptists, Catholics, Orthodox, etc.) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (I don't mean that as a troll. I'm just a hopeless-romantic mathgeek.) --Todd (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Exactly: it's a proof by contradiction, proving that there's nothing that can do anything. I guess it challenges the definition of what "anything" means. (...) Also various line segments, various non-regular pentagons, various non- regular (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Stanley <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote (...) Um, Mike, at some point crims have to say "what do I have left to lose", and there had better be something. Otherwise we're going to see a lot more dead cops at the very least. Or you let cops do a (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote (...) That is one major problem, yes. Unless you have a 100% accurate legal system there is always the problem of compensating someone for a period of slavery. As we have discussed before, compensation relies (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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was: Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) Mike Stanley <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote in (...) I can, but none of them strike me as realistic. The scenario itself seems to be more or less believable, in the sense that it (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's what I believe about the Bible. It is a collection of books edited together by many people at different times in history. It is a historical document which can be scrutinized in any manner of ways (historical criticism, literary (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Todd Lehman wrote: <snip> (...) Dr. Moriarity. What a fascinating episode that was:-) And even better that they brought him back on another show! (...) *This* is classic "circle logic" If God do anything, can God create a stone he cannot lift? (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ever wonder who the person was who was recording the creation event as it happened? Wasn't Adam or Eve either, because they weren't created until "day" 6. The creation account in Genesis _is a story_. An oral tradition passed down 100s of years (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You misunderstand the purpose of worship. Worship is *not* required nor needed by God, but is the natural expression of thanks by His people for what God has done/is doing/will do. Worship should be joyful. What God requires of us is to love (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you mean because we'd have a situation where officials would trump up charges to enslave innocents, or are you arguing that someone guilty of a crime with a victim (who has forfeited his rights because he would not acknowledge that others (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I find it interesting that you can twist around what I say so remarkably, since it seems to be one of your hot buttons to accuse others of twisting YOUR words. Your god requires worship in a specific way. Why is that not groveling? My morality is (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because it's an opinion, and thus subject to polling (in the form of box office receipts), rather than proving or disproving (...) Ditto, although I'd say right now the system is rigged so the GP doesn't get a fair chance to say what they (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe in other countries. But in the US, "for the most part" what we have is drug offenders. There are more people in prison for drug offenses than there are for crimes with victims. And THAT: - is one of the reasons we have the highest per (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's so weird about it? Seriously. (...) Really? I got angry at people from time to time. I took myself way too seriously, and essentially plotted murder on a couple of occasions. When the littleton killings took place, I thought 'there, but (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would say that they are an adequate judge of both. They may spend their cash on each as they see fit. And they're wrong on both counts. --Chris (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Tom McDonald <radiotitan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message news:FH7715.B0z@lugnet.com... (...) Well, I've talked to a lot of old school Catholics, and they're pretty bent on the works side of salvation. I think it's leftovers from the (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:37C75232.865AD2...ger.net... (...) I find it interesting how you make your own judgements about what is righteous and what is groveling, and then condemn God for not living up to your own (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Simon Robinson <simon@simonrobinson.com> wrote in message news:FHAL2G.JHJ@lugnet.com... (...) I guess I missed the gist of the message. Besides, in the end this isn't about deduction, it's about faith. I can't prove there's anything special about (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Christopher Weeks <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:37C6AA90.8AAC20...pse.net... (...) Here's the million dollar qustion: how can the general public be competent enough to be an adequate judge of movie quality (or of political (...) (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Tom, [I've snipped and shifted around the order of your last posting in order to put my replies read in a more logical order] (...) No, where appropriate I'm arguing on the basis that it is in order to see where that leads. That doesn't mean I'm (...) (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was "ostracized all of your most productive and thinking people and sent them away". Very true; if you use your head for a living or are planning on it (i.e. this starts at the college-entrance level), the move from Europe to the US (...) (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Goes back to the revolutionary war at least. A quick Altavista search turned up a couple possibilities: (URL) Frank Filz ---...--- Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hrmmm... interesting take on that opinion, I suppose. Certainly one of the ways people would try to prevent prison labor. 'Course, in my limited understanding of how prison industries work right now, the prisoners do, in fact, get paid. IMO, (...) (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Stanley <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote (...) Larry, I believe even the USA abolished slavery some time ago. Unless you let the prisoners choose, and pay them, then you've just bought it back. (...) Frying is known to be ineffective. at least (...) (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's one heckuva weird scenario. I probably fit into most of that as well, and I don't ever recall being put into a situation where peer pressure or anything else might have suggested that I murder someone. (...) Yep, put the kid down. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And even if they are otherwise normal, so what? I say someone just like me but who has taken another human's life is substantially different and needs special handling - like restitutive incarceration. What I don't buy from Mike's opinion is (...) (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you read the threads you'd remember. No free goods, as Larry would say. One in particular, though, that stands out in my mind, is the one about the man who'd worked for a plant all his life, then suddenly the plant closes down, he finds (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I am. Maybe you think it's a fault to judge other people by their actions. I don't. Let's see, what types of people do we have in prisons, for the most part? Murderers, rapists, child molesters, thieves, etc. Yep, scum. Maybe you think (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike, (...) they (...) be (...) reasons (...) What was bogus about the scenarios? (...) No problems with that - I believe that as well. (...) OK - since you 'actually *think* about things' <grin>, can you explain exactly who the person, entity or (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 'let the scum sit in a prison...' ??? Not judgemental about other people at all are we! The people - and as Larry pointed out there are doubtless many - who didn't commit any crime but ended up in prison anyway because a jury incorrectly (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd go for that in Libertopia. In reality, though, prisoners can't really be "forced" to work, can they? Or is that a state by state, thing? If the choices are let the scum sit in a prison watching tv and reading books, maybe even taking (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Banned? I musta missed that notice. I know some people prefer African-American, but I sure don't. Most black people I know use black. (...) Yeah, I just saw a story on CNN about all the seemingly racist talk going on in Norway right now during (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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