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Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
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Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:58:40 GMT
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John Neal wrote:

Larry Pieniazek wrote:

That "universe is chaotic and we don't understand it all" bit is a bit
stale. Yes. we do not understand everything there is to understand, but
so what? No amount of praying and waiting for revelation produced the
light bulb. That was science.

Your news is old news, don't bother stopping the presses.

What I was talking about was Chaos Theory which, if I understood Dr. Malcolm in
Jurassic Park correctly, is the *current* scientific rage.

So we're getting our information from movies, eh John? Well, *here's* a
news flash for you... Movies make stuff up. You'd be better off with
Scientific American.
(- sincerely, your pal Mr. Science)

Kidding aside, what chaos theory says is that most real systems are
complex enough and have enough free variables in them that it is harder
to model them than we once thought, and in a lot of systems very small
perturbations in initial input produce large perturbations in the final
system state.

It does NOT say that things can't be predicted, or that things happen
completely randomly. Even at the quantum level when we speak of
probability instead of certainty, there are still laws in operation and
useful predictions that can be made.

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  Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
 
(...) In a truly chaotic system, where each quantum interaction produces measurable macro effects, no _useful_ predictions can be made. Unless you consider "Ther is on billionth of a percent chance that after a microsecond the state will be this, (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
 
(...) Ok (...) Hey, I thought logic was only meaning_ful_ without feeling. That whole Spock thing, y'know? -- logic with feeling ain't really logic. (...) Hmmm. Well, this is one place where I kind of get confused. See, I believe that God didn't (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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