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Subject:	Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:42:18 GMT
Reply-To:	lpieniazek@+nomorespam+novera.com
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Sproaticus wrote: > On other hand, consider this: If God *didn't* create the rules, who did? > Who worked in the Void in which God created light? Right... and you've just stumbled into one of my favorite anti-god arguments (1)... infinite regress. a Universe with god doesn't explain any more, or less than a universe without one. Positing a god to explain why the universe exists doesn't actually add any information because now you have to explain why that god exists. Or decide that god is unexplainable. Me, I'm just as happy with an unexplainable universe that obeys well defined laws and has observable properties. Heck, I'm HAPPIER with that than with an unexplainable god who loves us but doesn't have to obey any laws or have any physical manifestation. note well that this is not REALLY an anti-god argument. It's merely a counter to the "well, how do you explain the existence of the universe if there is no god" argument. 1 - collect them all! Trade with your friends. > > Cheers, > - jsproat > > 1. It's the tree falling on a crowd of deaf people argument. ;-) > > -- > Jeremy H. Sproat <jsproat@io.com> ~~~ http://www.io.com/~jsproat/ > He stands...like some sort of...PAGAN GOD or DEPOSED TYRANT. Staring out > over the city he's sworn to...to stare out over... And it's evident...just > by looking at him...that he's got some PRETTY HEAVY THINGS ON HIS MIND. > - Ben Edlund, 1996 -- Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com http://my.voyager.net/lar - - - Web Application Integration! http://www.novera.com fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ Member ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet. NOTE: I have left CTP, effective 18 June 99, and my CTP email will not work after then. Please switch to my Novera ID.

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		Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) I got news for you, Mr. Science. The more we learn about the universe, the more we see how random it is and how little we do/can know about it. It is a God who represents order out of chaos. (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
(...) Yah, well, we're basically having the same discussion as the whole Big Bang thing. Q: What happened before the Big Bang? A1: Nothing. Period. Matter didn't exist, energy didn't exist, nothing didn't exist. So there. A2: All matter and energy (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
(...) Ok (...) Hey, I thought logic was only meaning_ful_ without feeling. That whole Spock thing, y'know? -- logic with feeling ain't really logic. (...) Hmmm. Well, this is one place where I kind of get confused. See, I believe that God didn't (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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