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Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
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Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:46:42 GMT
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:

Your god requires worship in a specific way. Why is that not groveling?

You misunderstand the purpose of worship.  Worship is *not* required nor needed
by God, but is the natural expression of thanks by His people for what God has
done/is doing/will do.  Worship should be joyful.  What God requires of us is
to love Him as Jesus taught, which is that, as we love one another, we love
God.  Said another way is that the way we express our faiths is through our
interaction with one another.  "Whatsoever you do unto the least of my
children, that you do unto me."

My morality is there on the table for all to see, it derives from a few
simple principles (one, actually). If I live a life fully consistent
with it, why would that not be righteous?

It may be.  But we are talking about a higher righteousness.  You actually
sound much like the Pharisees, who were extremely righteous and devout as they
followed the Torah (Law).  But Jesus railed on them (Jesus, the first
trainiac?;-)

For me to condemn god would be to acknowledge that she existed. Don't
believe I've done that. I've merely condemned a hypothetical god who
would require me to worship her in a specific way or suffer fire for my
pains, no matter how well I live, yet who will take a murderer up to eat
honey at her side as long as that murderer is truly "Sorry" for what they
did.

I don't know why you would be bitter about a God who loves everyone
unconditionally regardless of what they do.  *Only* God has the right to judge,
and yet He chooses to forgive.  *This* is the true nature of God Jesus
revealed.  Be glad He *isn't* as such you describe.

-John

Bah.

So, hypotethetically speaking, is that your god or not?




Message has 6 Replies:
  Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
 
(...) judge, (...) Then explain why so many religions teach that they are the ONLY correct religion, that only THEY worship god correctly and that only THEY will go to heaven (Baptists, Catholics, Orthodox, etc.) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
 
(...) They're getting it wrong? Steve (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
 
Ed Jones <edboxer@aol.com> wrote in message news:FHByEv.FoH@lugnet.com... (...) to (...) If you're speaking of different religions, such as Christianity vs. Islam, it's because of differences in opinion in what counts as Holy text. If you're (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
 
Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:37CC3897.1147B7...ger.net... (...) People can disagree on the details and still be one true faith, unless you define one true faith as 100% the same across the board, which doesn't happen (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: The Road to Atheism (Was Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
 
Wow , same style of thinking..:-) Just check out my comments on the first religion debate: (URL) Hey friends, do you ever think about this?..All of the religions has their own types of ceremonies (I can't find a better word) and beliefs, which are (...) (25 years ago, 2-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
 
(...) Well, I think the *idea* might come from the thought that, if I'm going to believe something, it had better be right! So it's more "we have the answers as revealed to us" and less "we are right, and you are wrong" Because to tell you the (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
 
I find it interesting that you can twist around what I say so remarkably, since it seems to be one of your hot buttons to accuse others of twisting YOUR words. Your god requires worship in a specific way. Why is that not groveling? My morality is (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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