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Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
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Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:38:59 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, "Simon Robinson" <simon@simonrobinson.com>
writes:

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Todd Lehman writes:
Hmmm.  Well, this is one place where I kind of get confused.  See, I
believe that God didn't create logic or mathematics -- that he in fact
*couldn't* create them -- because they already existed on their own
without the world, without the universe, and without God.

Do you have any justification for believing that. Is logic something that
exists in its own right or is it just something that we've created and
which looks sensible because it happens to fit in with how our minds work?

The first one:  logic exists in its own right.  It's not something we
created or invented, but rather something we discovered.

Pure logic (as in, say, DeMorgan's Theorem, for instance) existed long
before humans ever used it, and it works exactly the same in other alien
societies through out the galaxy/universe, and it will still exist long
after all the suns in the universe burn out (if that ever happens).


I'm sure I've seen one or two references to books in which mathematicians
have idly speculated on that - though I can' t think of any references
off hand.

It's certainly not _idle_ speculation.

--Todd



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  Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
 
(...) Ok (...) Hey, I thought logic was only meaning_ful_ without feeling. That whole Spock thing, y'know? -- logic with feeling ain't really logic. (...) Hmmm. Well, this is one place where I kind of get confused. See, I believe that God didn't (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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