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(...) I have J2RE 1.4.1 and Java3D 1.3 installed and I can't seem to run the program or the applets on your site -Orion (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Would you be able to add a BOM generator? The current version allows for a BOM, but only after rendering all of the steps. When I am in a hurry, I like to print a graphical BOM, grab the pieces I need and build the model later when I have more time. (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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(...) I know I know... just razzin ya >;-) I love the stuff you've come out with so far. It's nothing short of revolutionary for the LDraw community. Please, keep it up! -Tim (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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(...) ... I couldn't get it to work either. I installed Sun's Java, and if I visit that site, it says "Congratulations, it's installed". But if I run the Java compatibility test, IE 6.1 draws the gray square, and says "Applet failed to load", Opera (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) myself. (...) can (...) But that membership number would have to be validated with a password to know that it is any good. The numbers are easy to find. Validating the number against the password would require support from lugnet. Do you think (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Tim, I'm not going to put your individual need ahead of features that are useful to all. So quit bugging me about EPS or I may *never* do it ;^) It is no where near the tops of my list. (...) Thanks! (...) Kevin (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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(...) Me too. (...) Nod, nod. (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That's okay. I recognized that pretty quickly. Organizations need long term visions as well as short term. Hopefully the short term solution easily transitions into the long term stable solution. Otherwise, we may be seeing this same sort of (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Damien Guichard <damien.guichard@wanadoo.fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:HE2p0D.JEC@lugnet.com... (...) Thanks for the reply, I wasn't sure if the PT is offline or my account is disabled. So some parts have to wait for submission. Bernd (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Hi Anders - (...) This verification discussion was based on the assertion in the thread that proving a unique identity to prevent vote spoofing was important. So, the suggestions made were proportioal to the concern expressed. That said, seeing that (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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"Tim Courtney" <tim@zacktron.com> skrev i meddelandet news:HE2B42.17Jp@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) Rules me out. (...) Rules me out. (...) the (...) No way. Rules me out. I think you are a bit paranoid about this, but maybe you have other (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Same here. (...) I agree here as well. Alternatively, the postcard idea could verify non-LUGNET members. Those opposed to ID as validation have generally accepted the postcard idea in its place. -Tim (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) just for the record, we're ok with this. (...) I think this is currently taken care of - the 3 files that accord for ~70% of the traffic are hosted on a different server that can handle the traffic. (...) I think that would be the case for any (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I'm positive towards the idea. Dan has been very helpful thus far, and Pair is a reliable ISP. -Tim (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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What does people think about moving LDraw.org permanently to Peeron? I have discussed the problem a bit with Dan and Jennifer and they seem to be positive towards the idea, as long as we can distribute the heavy traffic (downloading the complete (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) that would work with me, if everyone accepts the risk. (...) I wouldn't want to require LDraw members to be LUGNET members. Dan (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Well, I would agree, I meant to mention I was thinking of that as a medium/long term solution. Sorry about that. (...) If you use the Passport (or really any other similar system, I just can't think of names off the top of my head) concept, (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Quoting Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com>: (...) I don't see a problem with email validation until it becomes a problem, myself. Alternatively, we could require a LUGNET membership number unless anyone disagrees with that idea, so far I've (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I'm really looking forward to this :-) I regret that I haven't had the time recently to play with the new LPub. I should download it on my spare machine and play there. I can't wait to see the new features you have in store! (ahem, EPS output, (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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(...) I pretty much agree with you. I'm not 100% sure if the latest draft proposal explicitly states this or not. My original thought was along these lines as well. An observation, if I may... I've spent quite some time talking about this LSC (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I think that the privileges would need to change as you move from site to site. Peeron and LUGNET have blanket memberships: every member at these sties pretty much has the same privileges (as far as I know, only admins and moderators have (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Sorry, it's my fault. I'll try to explain thinks better and change the page. What I can tell you right now is that you don't have the required java vm plugin installed in your browser - probably MS IE. Microsoft ships MSIE with his own (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Interesting idea but you may want to provide a little more assistance to people on getting it running, like giving links to the prereqs for major platforms if you know what they are. I pressed the compatability test and got a grey area and no (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yes. But we really want to avoid ballot stuffing, personally identifiable information is needed. So either we have to give up on preventing ballot stuffing, or on not exchanging personally identifiable information. For the brain-storm: * (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I meant this example: (URL) Kevin (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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In the previous version of LPub I released some prototype new features for creating "callout" images, which are images of small assembly contruction, all tiled together into a single image, like this: (URL) this (URL) above callout image generation (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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Hello All, It's my first time posting here, but I just didn't know how to show to the public my program, a 3d viewer / editor for LDraw files. Please let me know what you think about it. It is written entirely in java, so it should be ready to run (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) just a few thoughts: * the LSC is a technical body * the new file format worked out by the LSC will effect the work of part-authors and programmers. conclusion: * honestly I can't see a reason why people who have never authored a part or wrote (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I like this idea a lot. Who cares about the instant gratification aspect. I say that if you want the ability to vote, you have to care enough to wait a couple of weeks. -Orion (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Right. While I don't presume to know what he would do, I see the need for organizing in order to more effectively develop and promote the hobby. I've talked with Don Jessiman (his father) several times off and on over the last couple years (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I'm confused. I find your conflicting statements very conflicting. I think it's time to call the question. What level of validation do you (and Jenn, for that matter, since she voiced a negative with no positive offered) think we need? What (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) How so? At least among Peeron, LUGNET and ldraw.org (in it's new reconstituted form with members) all that presumably would need to happen is for you and Todd to agree, ne? (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I thought of implementing something like that a while ago - except that it seems that it would require more cooperation between the different sites involved than is currently available to draw upon. Dan (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) my only problem, is since I know what "reasonable care" is, it's really not much. (...) I'm not sure I believe in "privacy provisions" - since it's in lawyer talk, it's usual not possible for the average user to actually know what they say - I (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Sorry to respond to my own post, but it would be simple to automatically generate and check the confirmation codes. Just create a hash of the person's info along with some "salt" This is easy to do with gnupg : ) Have a program generate (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I think the letter idea is the best one yet. I was going to post something like this last night, but you beat me to it. :P It's analogous to Lugnet's membership packet, but less intensive to administer. Even a post card with a unique text (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Which brings up an interesting point... a single sign-in/membership system for the community at large, similar to Passport or similar. Something that provides a single solution for all organizations/sites that might need to do something (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That's GREAT news! I have e-mailed Atilla about LMPL status but never got answer. Thanks Tim, Thanks Atilla, Damien (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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(...) Hi Bernd, Pleased to see you are so eager. At first i thought i have forgotten my password, but now we have to face reality: PT is not still alive. Damien (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Amy, nice to see a sense of humor to let a little of this pressure off ;^) I don't think LUGNET membership by itself is too much to ask. It won't do any good though unless LUGNET runs the voting and requires your lugnet password to cast a (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) This last suggestion sounds like having a membership packet. I like the idea of having a membership package, possibly packaged with a CD of current LDraw editors, tools, library, (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I got friends. I therefore got lots of drivers licenses :-) (...) Obviously I'll have to show up in person at 1 Ldraw Plaza to submit some DNA :-) (...) Humor? And to demonstrate that creating multiple means of verification may defeat the (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) OK, so you favor requireing a drivers license or something else more stringent then? Or restricting it to just LUGNET members only? or what? And you're OK if you go to 0 votes if any two of these are discovered to be the same when probed? What (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Lemme see... 1) Amy Hughes 2) lugnews@IXNAYONTHEAM...hughes.org 3) lugnet # 928 and 1) Nancy Drew 2) ndrew@NYETSPAMthelor...houses.com (yep, that's me) 3) gimme a week or so to create and use an FBTB account and 1) Fred Smith 2) (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Just to get people thinking, since maybe we're stuck... try this strawman To be an ldraw.org member, you have to supply 3 things, all of which are retained in a DB for validation (but not made public) 1. your real name 2. a working email (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) OK, would that be sufficient? Only LUGNET(tm) members can be members? Is that too exclusionary? It's certainly simple enough. If it IS too exclusionary, what scheme would you suggest for those potential members who are not LUGNET members? (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Why not? ldraw.org would presumably be (by Bylaws provision) banned from selling the info, and would presumably be bound to take all reasonable care with the information. Those restrictions (which would take a lot of work to ever change, by (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I completely agree with Jennifer. As I stated before, we're not running State elections we're voting for a hobby organization. The problem about false votes has been blown way out a proportion. It may be a problem if we had 1000's of people (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I like the idea of 'centralized LDraw resources', a webpage where you can find a list of all software available and help organize discussions for standards and additions to the library (doing a great with the updates). Everything else will (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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I agree with Jennifer on this one. It is out of the question as a validation mechanism for me. Kevin (...) am (...) needs (...) or (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) the fact the LDraw.org isn't a commercial entity is completely irrelavent in this case. (...) I would actually be worried about STORING that kind of information on the server. Even for the people who didn't care. Like someone else has posted (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) The idea of personally identifiable information is indeed a sensitive one, and I recognize that. In fact, I'm a privacy freak myself - when it comes to commercial entities. The reason I included it in the recap/call for more brainstorming is (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Quoting Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com>: (...) I didn't speak up last time because 1) someone else already had and 2) I thought maybe it would die. This seemed like a recap of ideas more than a brainstorming to me, so since it wasn't off (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) OK, your feelings are noted, at least by me, but I do think we haven't gotten all the possibilities developed yet. I tend to personally favor not working TOO hard to antispoof, but I'll stand by what I said, you may be inadvertantly stifling (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Quoting Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com>: (...) I wasn't brainstorming. I was expressing my opinion. I was expressing it as strongly as I thought was appropriate given how strongly I felt about it. I am not only concerned with myself about (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This could be extremely difficult for the college and high school students who are involved with LDraw. High schoolers don't pay utility bills at all (and some don't have IDs until they're 18), and a large number of college students live in (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) In a scenario where multiple mechanisms are on offer, you yourself might not ever need to use it, as you'd have several other paths available. But more importantly, until we've a consensus on what level of validation is appropriate, I'd rather (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I'd lean towards is. I'm more inclined to trust people than not to trust people, then again, that might be my weakness. (...) Yeah, sorry. One person I know signed up twice cause he thought it had something to do with news posting. Not a (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Quoting Tim Courtney <tim@zacktron.com>: (...) This seems like it might be difficult. (...) This seems fair to me, but not seem that way to non-lugnet members. (...) I ABSOLUTELY OPPOSE this. I also oppose having to enter my credit card number in (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) this still allows stuffing by someone at level 1 - someone you met once, and therefor know exists. He can "know" many many people, and you have no way of verifying if they do exist. This might be an acceptable risk, I don't know. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Ok. (...) I can accept this. There are several possible verification systems. I think we should use several, to make it easy for as many people as possible. Ultimately though, the onus should be on the applicant to prove his/her identity, (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I think easily spoofed votes are unacceptable. Especially in the initial phase of the org, when we're electing the board. (...) I'd say first get the org running, and then worry about encouraging more participation. Dan (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: LSC Draft Proposal Version 0.7
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(...) (URL) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) We've seen quite a few good (and some overboard) suggestions in this thread so far. Lar, you wrote in another message: (...) Yep. I think the right question to ask here is: Would you rather be absolutely sure everyone who votes is unique, (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) could you post the link to it? I think it'd be a good thing to allow people to read it. Dan (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) The parts tracker is still offline, as all the data before the crash hasn't been restore to it, and there are some more configuration changes to be made. We are working to get it back up. Dan (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Hi all, nice to see Ldraw online again. But I noticed that you need an account to use the tracker. This wouldn't be a problem if I could use my account. I tried to login with my username and password but nothing happens. I mailed Steve but getting (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Makes sense. > (putting my flame resistant suit on.) No need. Play well, Jacob (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Now Munin is finally back on-line (since Thursday) and with a correctly configured Apache (since this morning). Right now some people will end up at Peeron and some people on Munin, when they go to the web site <www.ldraw.org>. This will (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Whoops, I mean "Computing." That's what I get for not double checking. -Tim XFUT -> cad.dev (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I've marked up all I can see that needs to be tweaked up to this point. If anyone wants to have a look at what I have, please email me or post here, and I'll mail it to you. I don't want to post yet another revision, just to revise it again, (...) (21 years ago, 27-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I want to preface my answer with a few thoughts. I've seen what amazing potential these tools have in all aspects of the LEGO hobby. People from all over the world have written me talking about how they have applied LDraw to what they do. Whether (...) (21 years ago, 26-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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No, I'm not getting married. ;-) All of this LDraw standards and organization talk has gotten me thinking...about LDraw.org and it's mission, if you will. So I'd like to throw out a question: What do you think LDraw.org's role is in the LDraw/LEGO (...) (21 years ago, 26-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Indeed. 50K a head may be a little much though. (putting my clowning around suit on) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Maybe we want dues so we can have official LDraw.org server, that won't be down weeks at a time. (putting my flame resistant suit on.) Kevin (...) vote. (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Good point, Orion! Now we get to the meat. Sending in a paper ID photocopy and utility bill gives a high degree of certainty of a real person behind the ID but is pretty intrusive. (as well as labor intensive at the receiving end). Allowing (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Whoa boy, backup. We not voting in a world leader to determine the lives of millions, we're voting on LSC membership. Since most people balk at even giving out their real name and Email address, I think this is a little extreme. -Orion (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That could be one (not the only) verification method. Another could be sending in a scan of a drivers' license/gov. ID card and utility bill, like PayPal does to confirm identities. -Tim (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) nod, good point. (...) well, while I do trust the Lugnet auth to insure that you can't post as me, I don't see how it verifies that I'm a real person, as opposed to a part of Jennifer's imagination... (...) I'm not as worried about people (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I agree. That's what I meant when I said the LSC is the first step twards an official LDraw.org body. The 4+1 are not really LDraw.org - they act in what they believe is it's best interest, but so do quite a few other people, who are just as (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) currently, since there is no formal organization (and we're starting to push for one, woo!), there really isn't an authority issue. There's only the ability. If Steve decides he's turning off the parts tracker, he can. If you (Tim) decide to (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Don't forget we don't need just ONE scheme. There can be several, and you use the scheme you are most comfortable with as a prospective member. For instance: (just a thought starter) Could piggyback off something else... have a complex scheme (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) not sure I see where this is any better than requiring a valid email address? where valid means you actually have to get your password when it's mailed to that email. The problem is, that it's really easy to get many email accounts. Inventing (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Perhaps a voter confirmation email sent when a vote is cast, similar to how LUGNET authenticates posts? So, voting could be done via the web, but in order to confirm, you would also have to reply to an email. Just another idea... -Tim (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I think something Parts Tracker-like would do the job. You email the system admin, he puts you in the system. This puts a human element into voter registration instaed of some blind webbot. This also requires you to keep a current Email (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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With 0.7 of the LSC proposal getting generally good reviews so far, it's likely that we're close to a final draft on the LSC proposal and it's time to start thinking about the things needed to make it happen. Since 0.7 replaces a temporary appointed (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw) !
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(...) The thing is, right now they are LDraw.org. Do you prefer that we just refer to LDraw.org, without the names? I think it is important that LSC is under the LDraw.org umbrella. I invite you to start a new topic on moving from ad-hoc LDraw.org (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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LD4DModeler is awesome! Keep up the good work. -Mike (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Agreed. (...) Yep. (...) Right. So are you trying to say something like; the individuals involved with the specific tasks are responsible/have the authority to make decisions regarding each technical task? That makes sense to me for the most (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) absolutely! (...) I like this proposal a lot better, with one exception: (...) organization for LDraw, and then step down. Administrating the website, Parts Tracker and server are all separate technical functions, and do not fall under the (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Everyone - This has been a very good discussion on the LSC proposal so far. I have drafted a new version, 0.7, which attempts to clear up the confusion and ambiguity, and also adds in many peoples' suggestions. I've changed the references regarding (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Every time I've seen Qualification 2, I've thought it needed clarification. How about: "Served as a reviewer on the Parts Tracker and posted at least 5 reviews for each of at least 2 official updates." After all, just because someone only (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Part updates are currently every two months. 0303 (due to come out in about a week, I think?) will probably be a small update, since the Tracker hasn't been up for weeks. . . -- TWS Garrison (URL) capital letters in address for direct reply. (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I agree that we have to avoid that risk you refer to, and I would suggest that be part of the LSC charter. As for the steering committee, I'm not sure the post from 2 years ago is really valid anymore, and would suggest the community start (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 04:27:28AM +0000, Wayne Gramlich wrote: [snip very good points] (...) Wayne, this is a great idea, and I would support this kind of process. Dan (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) it was semi-automatic - I used vimdiff to find all the differences, and marked them up manually. Didn't take long. But since it is manual, it's theoretically possible that I missed some - I promise, nothing was left out intentionally. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I guess I'm worried about the LSC defining a standard that has no meaning. Without the community accepting the standard, what's the point in having it defined? I do agree with later posts, especially wayne's - the vote is likely to become a (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) This is more what I was considering... a way for those who may or may not have been authoring Lego Parts to get a chance to be on the standards body. After all, its possible, but unlikely that another use for the program could overshadow the (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yep, I agree 100%. Tomorrow I'm going to work on an 0.7 draft version of the proposal, taking in the useful comments made by all. It should tighten it up considerably from 0.6, eliminate the confusion, and add stuff like Wayne's recommendation (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm completely opposed to removing the voting power for the LSC. If the LSC can't set any standards why have it the first place. As the old saying goes, too many cooks spoil the broth. -Orion (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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