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Re: Ldraw cannon
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Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:02:31 GMT
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Mike Stanley wrote:
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> Larry Pieniazek <lpien@ctp.IWANTNOSPAM.com> wrote:
> > OK, briefly. This is purely an economic analysis. Anyone who wishes to
> > prattle about how people have rights to jobs or employers have
> > obligations to provide them hasn't any standing in the debate and can
> > just keep such fantasyland thinking to themselves.
>
> I happen to know someone who seems to hold these beliefs. I once had
> to hear him whine and complain about how our employer had to pay him
> more because he was behind in his bills and would never catch up and
> be able to buy a house if they didn't pay him what he (thought) he
> deserved.
>
> I've never discussed it with him in detail because I just don't think
> we'd be speaking the same language. That whole thought process is so
> alien to my way of thinking.
Yes. Makes me ill.
> > Now let's look at the long term effects. We all agree that long term,
> > that 3 dollar job is not where we want a worker to remain (although it
> > is a good starting point). If we mandate that employers subsidise low
> > value jobs we get lots of bad effects. First, people in them are not
> > incented to improve themselves since they're getting more than their
> > work is worth. Second, the high wage jobs aren't getting what they are
> > worth either, also a disincentive.
>
> I think I know what you are trying to say in "second..." but just to
> make sure - you're asserting that because Employer Bob HAS to pay the
> low wage jobs more than they are worth he has to pay the high wage
> jobs less, probably because the money has to come from somewhere?
Yes.
> > Third, our McDonalds is dirtier than
> > it needs to be since we can't get the workers in to clean it
> > economically. (noticed how McDonalds are dirtier lately... now you know
> > why)
>
> Oh, I don't know about that. I worked for years in fast food as a
> teenage with crews the same size or smaller than the ones I see
> working in the places now, and for less money. We kept the place
> clean - it was a priority. I'm sure the work force pool varies from
> community to community (otherwise the workers wouldn't be all or
> mostly black next to UTK and all or mostly white way out west in
> Farragut, with odd pockets where a large percentage of the workers are
> actually old people elsewhere) but I'd say the places that are dirtier
> are that way because of poor management and poor workers. Call me
> crazy, but I didn't have to be told to keep the bathroom clean at KFC
> when I worked there. It was one of my duties, and I took pride in it.
You're saying the same thing I am if you think about it. At least I
think you are.
>
> > 1 - my first job not supplied by a relative paid maybe 50 cents an hour,
> > as a paper boy. I had it when I was 12. Learned a lot. My next one paid
> > well below minimum wage, and I was in collusion with my employer to keep
> > it that way. (2) He could not have afforded another bus boy if he had to
> > pay a "living wage" to a middle school student. I would not have learned
> > the food service industry well enough to become a crew leader at
> > McDonalds by the time I was in 12th grade. We both won.
>
> Wow, you were a libertarian when you were in middle school? Neat. :)
Yes. Thanks to a librarian who turned me onto Atlas Shrugged after I had
inhaled just about everything else in the library, and a dentist on my
paper route who turned me on to the party.
--
Larry Pieniazek http://my.voyager.net/lar
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