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(...) He's also written/co-written a couple of novels. The only one I've read to date was Neverwhere (also a TV miniseries in the UK), but. (...) He also drove a lot of adults away from reading the Star Wars novels, largely as a result of the two (...) (20 years ago, 20-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, C.S. Friedman was born in '57, so she's out. But don't let that stop you from reading her work. (...) And J. Gregory Keyes (now going by Greg Keyes), while an excellent fantasy author, has only written sci-fi for SW:NJO and B5 thus far. (...) (20 years ago, 20-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Neal Stephenson (Snow Crash, The Diamond Age. Both in my top 20) almost meets your requirement (b. October 31, 1959) Greg Egan (b. 1961) seem to be fairly well respected (won a Hugo and John W. Campbell Memorial Award). I haven't read anything (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ***snip*** (...) Nice! I haven't heard that joke in quite a while, and it always gives me a giggle. Dave! (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First of all, we Merkans don't take kindly to that Frenchy "u" in color. And we don't want no horse doovers, neither. Secondly, I can't see air, but I can discern the effect of air upon objects. Therefore I am able to draw conclusions about (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 1942: (URL) the wikipedia!) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, I'll have to check this out sometime. I just checked out my favorite SF author, CJ Cherryh, and I didn't find a birth date, but she received some kind of honors in 1960 and a degree in 1964 so clearly she was born before 1960. Another (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the question is more accurately stated "how many Guardian readers would go for Bush?"... and I think we have our answer, (3) thanks to the cite provided by Dave! It would really be a shame if this clueless stunt (by a paper I have (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Born in 1951, I think.(1) (...) Some people (2) really like him. (3) Some people find him a bit too preachy. ++Lar 1 - so does (URL) - me for instance. I usually have a preachyness detector but his mormonness doesn't come through strongly (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My response to that has been(1), and continues to be, "so what?". If I can't taste it, and it can't taste me, what does it matter? I'm happy without. If you want to believe in pink elephants that's fine with me. Further, if the Elephantians (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My friends like him. My only time with OSC was the novel of "The Abyss" (at one time, my favourite movie, and the book is an excellent adaptation thereof) Thanks for advice. Dave K (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think he meant 1960 C.E., not 1960 by the Assyrian/Babylonian/...brew/Roman calendar or whatever calendar you commies use, Len(in)ny... or is it Le(ninny)?... (...) That would make a great story. Of course stories using JV as a protaganist (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I can state my opinion that it will emphatically. Yes. I think that the evidence of science's track record of constantly growing, and growing at pretty much an ever increasing speed, predicts (and predictions [or guesses] are all we can make (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> Byron(1). Nice. Dave K 1-Sometimes that disturbs me, that people drop names like that. Here's a writer that probably spent numerous months composing these fantastic poems and I (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How about Orson Scott Card. Ender's game, and many other very good (in My opinion anyway) Sci-Fi books. Not too dry, and not too much (but enough) science. -Kyle (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jules Verne? I heard this really great quote once where Salvador Dali blames Jules Verne for everyone's death - cuz Jules Verne inspired people to develop other types of technology rather than focus solely on medicine - which if we had, we (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks Larry! I did like the ring series by Chalker (though it was a long long time ago (in my teens) so I may be misremembering...) Thanks for the other info as well--I'll finish 'The Teeth and the Tiger' by Clancy and find some of those (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(snip) So, further, while I was chasing that question, I thought of another favorite of mine, one who hasn't gotten too much press because he hasn't written a lot, so I thought maybe he's young enough to qualify... Steven Gould. He wrote (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evidence is scientific. This is much like talking about colours to a person who has been blind their entire lives--you can get across the 'concept' of colours by talking about blue is running water, and red is heat or flame ('cause a blind (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Much wailing and gnashing of teeth (URL) has ensued.> Dave! (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not without doing some digging(0). Plus it varies according to taste. Lately I like the "killer B's"...(1) they all are within a "few" years of that mark, as compared to the grand masters you name (whether I'd put Chalker up there is a (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Also in Babylon 5 with the Technomages. :) Love that JMS... So my friend and I were talking the other day about Clarke, Asimov, Chalker, Heinlen, etc... Can anyone name a really good science-fiction author that was born, say, after 1960? I (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, if you can't provide me evidence that some supernatural phenomenon exists, then I must ask you how you conclude that the phenomenon exists. Some factor or factors must compel you to reject a natural explanation (or possibility of a (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evidence and proof are aspects of science. How can one use 'evidence' to show 'something outside of science'? How can one use 'proofs', which support scientific evidence, to 'prove' something unprovable? I agree that we must not stop pursuing (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" Arthur C. Clarke Or something like that. This argument of Dave K's strikes me as a variant of the Designer argument, at least in some ways. (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's the wrong way to ask the question, IMO. Or at the very least you're setting a task for science that isn't science's responsibility to answer. The more precise phrasing is this: Are there systems and components in nature that cannot be (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The original poster wanted to know how we (our behavoir) could be more than the sum of our biological parts. I simply pointed out the relevance of such an issue in the context of systems engineering. That itself isn't magic, it is a well-known (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I see that as analogous to believing in an omnipotent God that has all the answers, and decides not to tell you them all just yet. (...) The operative word being "may". I don't happen to believe that everything is or will necessarily be (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So the whole can be completely, thoroughly, logically, scientifically explained by the sum of the parts? As in there's no magic at all? If there are systems and components we don't understand scientifically today, there will be a time in the (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) How are we that different? Do we possess any unique basic attributes that set us apart from the rest of the animal kingdom, or do we simply possess a unique combination and degree of shared attributes? Animal research has suggested that we are (...) (20 years ago, 18-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The problem you're citing is basically one of semantics, so I don't think it's a good refutation of Lee's posited mathematical absolute. Whether you refer to "four" as 10 or IV or cuatro or 4, the underlying numeric principle is the same, and (...) (20 years ago, 18-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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You know, for a time now I have wanted this whole thing to go away and stop appearing on the main news page, for you see, I have a terrible weakness: a great fascination in philosophy. So, this whole discussion was honey to me and I was having a (...) (20 years ago, 18-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm a little confused since the definitions you choose to quote above have utterly nothing to do with the link you provide. That is talking about his intellectual approach and not atheism at all, except in the most passing manner possible. (...) (20 years ago, 17-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's an interesting point you make about owing healthcare to the world, especially right now with the shortage of the flu virus vaccinations happening. Ontario, where I live, used to provide free flu virus shots to anyone that walked into a (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know, I found that quite amusing at first, but then I got to remembering stuff, like how when you work with steel, you have to use sticks of soapstone to make your cut marks if you want to be able to see them easily. And how I got to (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ,> (...) Remember the govenment's tolerances rule: Measured with a micrometer Marked with chauk Cut with an ax Lester (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I seem to remember hearing something to that effect in a poli sci class back in high school, but we might have been given a simplified version (since, after all, it wouldn't make sense for them to accept a $1000 bid from me to build a working (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Those definitions stray from Huxley's (URL) original definition> (no offense intended to atheists or agnostics by the domain, but it was the most complete Huxley quote I could find), as he considered himself to be neither a theist nor an (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you want people to vote for you in an election, you don't want to undercut yourself. If you are merely looking for enlightenment and better understanding then it is best to test yourself a (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Saw that, well done. Advantage of arguing against yourself... You always win. Disadvantage of arguing against yourself... You always lose, too. (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And, of course, I had to look further into it and find all the variations on a theme just to argue against myself (see immediately preceeding post on scroll). -->B<-- (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Some quotes from Wikipedia that may be illuminating (or confusing depending on if you can keep track of it all): Some atheists distinguish between two variants: Weak atheism, or negative atheism, is the standpoint that there is no reason to (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No. Why would you think so? Most(1) government RFPs state "award will be made to the offer which demonstrates the best overall value to the government considering price, technical merit and past performance." I'd say LM's past performance is (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I do too. It might make sense to keep it bookmarked! (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I could say the same: A-gnostic: without knowledge of god(s) A-theist: without belief in god(s) (...) Those are essentially different ways of saying the same thing. Anything that can serve as proof for the one group should serve equally well (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You summed up what I would have responded with very succinctly, Orion. I agree with you assessment of atheists, and proper definition of agnostics. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually you're confusing terms here. Agnostics believe that the existance of God is "inherently unknowable" whereas (most) atheists believe that God's existance is "unproven". There is a relativly small faction of atheists (known as hard (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I've actually known a few people who fall into that category, and, despite the fact that the Christian church tried to annex Halloween (remember All Saints' Day, the day after Samhain?) and basically failed (especially when compared to the (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ...until it becomes agnosticism, the only true non-religion. The fundamental difference between atheists and agnostics is that atheism, like all religions, makes firm dogmatic claims regarding the existence of a supernatural being and the (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Y'know, sometimes I just shake my head and want to give up. Those that have a problem with Hallowe'en should have a problem with it no matter the day of the week. Sending little Johnny dressed up as 'the devil' on Saturday is okay, but don't (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I thought "Bah, humbug!" only was used in conjunction with Christmas. :-) (URL) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Doh! Next time, try juxtaposing the three of them apart. Maybe I'll get it, then. Dave! (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I figured as much, which is why I juxtaposed the three of them together so the full irony would be apparent. Of course, if ya gotta explain a joke.... -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Looks like mollusc has run out. Actually, when I first read your post, I saw "declaimed" as "declammed," so the non-sequitur was borne of a misreading of your sequitur. Dave! (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Clams got legs! Unfortunately, your disclaimed/declaimed/declammed non-sequitor doesn't. Unless I reply like a fool, in which case....oh no.... -->Bruce<-- clamming up... (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I guess my posts could sometimes be declammed when I've cited too many shellfish. Dave! (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dictionary.com gives a serviceable definition of (URL) religion,> a definition with which I find myself in general agreement. In casual parlance I would pare it down a little further to say that religion entails the worship of and/or positive (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is entirely dependent on approach. I've seen atheists who approach it as a religion, and others that do not. Generally, the more strident and absolutist an atheist is, the more it approaches a religion. The more dispassionate and scientific (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) All religions are belief systems, but not all belief systems are religions. (...) Nor does it necessarily mean that it is. (...) No, I didn't miss it, I just wasn't convinced. My take then was that you were arguing by assertion. I'll take this (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Shouldn't that be "declaimed", and not "disclaimed"? On no! Your entire argument now has now been forfeited! Nyahh. Nyahh, nyahh, nyahh. ;-) -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What is a religion, if not a "belief system"? Just because atheism is not an organized religion doesn't mean it's not a religion at all. (...) You must have missed my lengthy discussion with Mr. Schuler regarding the fundamental differences (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I did not rip you. I cautioned you against the use of a Straw Man falacy in misapplying the definition of tolerance, but that's a discussion of rhetoric. If you perceived my addressing of your rhetorical shortcomings as a "rip" on you (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) SNIPPED in order to meet post req's (...) SNIP for post req (...) Dave, this discussion is a total joke. You rip me for assuming you're a moral relativist because you don't come out and say you are, and then proceed to use every type of moral (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't assume anything about Dave - his own statements show he is a moral relativist. Nobody else here apparently has problems calling things as they see them when it goes against their own positions. I'm no different. And I am just about (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Many people view atheism as a belief system rather than a religion. Your points still stand, nonetheless, but I did want to point it out. I'll go farther, and state that I feel that people who consistently call atheism a religion are, in my (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) He is. But he used to summer in a suburb of Sodom, where all the parents used to enlist his aid as a babysitter whenever they needed to have some alone time. (20 years ago, 14-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes, but they preferred the term Sodomian, or occassionally Sodomish. Of course, they're all dead now, so who cares what they preferred? (20 years ago, 14-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's true, if viewed in a certain light. Murder is always wrong, but societies define "murder" according to their own sense of morality. Many people would consider executing criminals to be murder. Texans do not. Many people would consider (...) (20 years ago, 14-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I thought (URL) was the friend to children everywhere. Dave! (20 years ago, 14-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) First of all, let me say thank you to Lenny for his (URL) input>. He is quite correct that it is falacious to caricature the position of one's opponent and then attack that position as if it were the real one. That's the classic (URL) Straw (...) (20 years ago, 14-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Isn't a Sodomite someone from the ex-town (city?) of Sodom? Near Gomorrah? ;) Tim (20 years ago, 14-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lee, this is an interesting argument against moral relativism - but I doubt Dave is arguing on behalf of moral relativisim. You have assign this belief to him, and then proceeded to attack that belief, all the while you ignore the discussion (...) (20 years ago, 14-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The closest I can think of is West Germany, but that might not count due to how short of a time they were under the rule of a despot, and the fact that they were the invading nation, not the invaded. (20 years ago, 12-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Part of the problem might be in saying that an uncommon procedure is necessarily less accessible to you. In the US health insurance system, expensive procedures usually come with expensive deductables, so while the line in front of you may be (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hi Dave, well I certainly can tell by your views you are a moral relativist from your distorted definition of tolerance. There are absolutes in the world. Moral, logical absolutes. There are universal truths that apply to everyone, across all (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ha! Would be interesting to see how many people from the UK would actually go for Bush... DaveE (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Let the (URL) fall where they may. Dave! (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not so sure. If the individual citizen enters into and then defaults upon the social contract, then that's not initiation of force--it's enforcement of terms. (...) Now that's interesting. In a true market of options, then a choice to (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, perhaps force is too strong, though I'm comfortable with anything the government requires as being forced in that ultimately, if you refuse, the government could escalate to use of force. I agree that the pharmacist's contract may very (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm not sure I'd like to be on the receiving end of (URL) this>. Scott A (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, the doctor-to-pharmacy direct link hadn't occurred to me. My family doctor usually still gives us a script and we take it to the pharmacist, though she sometimes calls in the prescription directly, with our permission. That would (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) From a libertarian perspective, I'll grant the pharmacist the right to discriminate. What I don't grant him the right to do though is interfere. Refusing to fill a prescription is discrimination. Refusal to forward the prescription to someone (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) …a despot who was explicitly supported by the West. (...) Some of the world's problems do lie at the feet of the "West". (...) I understand your point. However, we should not make the mistake of believing that those who violently oppose the (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True tolerance entails the recognition that one's own views are not inherently or absolutely correct, but are instead correct for oneself, and perhaps very strongly held. Attendant upon this is the realization that other people's views might (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, right now we *nominally* live under the laws of America--if the Spawn of Satan is re-appointed in November, then we'll see what happens to those laws. Anyway, I completely agree with the meat of your post. The guy's welcome to believe (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More (URL) mass graves> that shouldn't be confused with justification for Dubya's deliberately illegal and voluntary oil war. Dave! (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmmmm. Maybe. (...) Hmmmm not sure. I thought most of the leader-types were from Adelaide but I may be mistaken. And even though they say they will argue each bill on it's merits, one has to wonder, given their election deal with Johnny. (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't know about that. I have had the same experience in places where one ought to have found a large number of supporters. One is drawn towards the conclusion that many folks made the choice to vote liberal but are not prepared to fess up in (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Seems like a no-brainer to me. That guy should lose his license. What's next: doctors refusing to provide medication because it violates some principle of faith healing? Newsflash: In this country we live under the Laws of the United States of (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOL it doesn't really depress me, but it does surprise me. I mean, everyone I've spoken to since the election has said "so who the heck voted Liberal??". But I guess that's probably just a case of me associating with people that share similar (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here's an interesting one: (URL) pharmacist refused to fill a contraceptive prescription for religious reasons. That might be ok, except, he also refused to transfer the prescription to another pharmacy. Now he's claiming he shouldn't be punished. (...) (20 years ago, 12-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is a technically accurate term for describing a male heterosexual who has kids--a term that isn't used in 'polite company' (though appears in many rap songs and movies that love to use profanity...)--I don't think Lee would like people (...) (20 years ago, 12-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sure it is. And so is "bastard" and "moron" - but these terms have been deemed offensive, and so using them, even if accurate to do so, is considered offensive and rude. I should also point that 'sodomite' is not actually accurate, because it (...) (20 years ago, 12-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Mmmmm. I think I have remarked upon same here before, and can only agree completely. But as to it not having to be this way, I am not so sure. There would seem to be few examples of freedom delivered from without that were any more successful. (...) (20 years ago, 12-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bad idea. If you're going to post debate material in a non-debate group learn better. Quickly. (...) This is off-topic because: A. It's a continuation of your trolling on the subject of homosexuality, which is essentially debate material. B. (...) (20 years ago, 12-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Soren, I didn't think to file this under there - I just reply to a message and let the screen fill in whatever groups the previous poster used. Also, why would you say this is off-topic? I replied to someone who posted this reply to me in (...) (20 years ago, 12-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, it sounds like the tried to prevent the person from doing harm. How much should they try? Do they have to risk death themselves? Criminalizing failure to prevent another from committing a crime is a pretty dangerous slope to perch on. (...) (20 years ago, 12-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) read. One thought I have though... Would the situation truly be any better if Sadam had got out of power any other way? Part of what is happening is the power vacuum that results from elimination of a despot. The rest of the problem is (...) (20 years ago, 12-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: (snip interesting foot-story) (...) But if we accept that human DNA is constantly changing, it stands to reason that any ideals encoded therein would be constantly changing too. (...) LOL I think that (...) (20 years ago, 9-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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