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Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 19 Oct 2004 03:15:44 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, J. Spencer Rezkalla wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Avery Christy wrote:
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But, there is the whole thing that our thoughts, our beauty, goes so far
beyond simple biochemical reactions. If we only had biochemical reactions,
then why are we not like the animals and other life forms around us?
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How are we that different? Do we possess any unique basic attributes that
set us apart from the rest of the animal kingdom, or do we simply possess a
unique combination and degree of shared attributes? Animal research has
suggested that we are not as different as we might think. Nevertheless we
are unique, but so are other species.
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Sure, we
are heavily influenced by biochemical chemistry -- sex appeal/drive,
instinct, illness, etc. But, we have the power to overcome it with our
minds. We have the ability to exceed the sum of our parts. How is that
scientifically possible? (Rhetorical question) We can so easily deny
ourselves but eventually after all that doubting away we find that there
is still something there doing the doubting. There is still something
there, a mostly untapped potential, that can give us the extraordinary
that we so often crave.
So, where does that come from? How can we rise to be more than a sum of
our parts? Is not 2 + 2 = 4? Maybe there are some fascinating biochemical
reactions that we have not studied yet?
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Systems. You are simply describing some of the basic concepts of systems
behavior. Complex systems behavior arising from simple components. Happens
all the time both in biological and non-living systems. No magic there.
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So the whole can be completely, thoroughly, logically, scientifically
explained by the sum of the parts? As in there’s no magic at all? If there
are systems and components we don’t understand scientifically today, there
will be a time in the future when we will have a scientific answer for those
areas?
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I see that as analogous to believing in an omnipotent God that has all the
answers, and decides not to tell you them all just yet.
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This is where your fallacy lies. Since you ‘live the science’ you can’t
accept that there might be something outside the science, today or even in
the future. You can’t accept the ‘magic’ that may be in the system.
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The operative word being “may”. I don’t happen to believe that everything is or
will necessarily be described by science, but I have yet to see anything that
has me saying “oh wow, there’s no way science will ever explain that”. Some
people say they have experienced God, I say “Great, but I haven’t yet, so please
don’t rush me”.
ROSCO
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