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Re: Is lgbt dead in the water?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:17:08 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lee Meyer wrote:
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Hi Dave, well I certainly can tell by your views you are a moral relativist
from your distorted definition of tolerance. There are absolutes in the
world. Moral, logical absolutes. There are universal truths that apply to
everyone, across all times and places and circumstances. Murder is always
wrong.
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That’s true, if viewed in a certain light. Murder is always wrong, but
societies define “murder” according to their own sense of morality. Many people
would consider executing criminals to be murder. Texans do not. Many people
would consider abortion to be murder. Pro-choice advocates do not. Many people
would consider hacking down a peasant with a sword for no reason to be murder.
Samurai did not. Many people would consider ripping peoples’ still-beating
hearts out of their chests and racing them to the top of a shrine to be murder.
The Aztecs did not. Oh yeah, and how many States have laws regarding
“justifiable homicide”?
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Two plus two is always four.
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In mathematics involving Base 5 or higher, yes. In Base 3, 2+2=11. In Base 4,
2+2=10. In Base 2 (binary), “2” doesn’t exist, so it would instead be
10+10=100.
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You cannot simultaneously be both for and against the same side of an issue
and be right on both sides.
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It always depends on the issue at hand. What about the favorite modern
Christian parable involving the man who has to choose between raising the
drawbridge and killing his only son who is playing amongst the gears, and not
raising the drawbridge which would cause an approaching passenger ship which
(for whatever reason) can’t stop in time to avoid a catastrophic collision? Can
you honestly say that there is only one moral choice that could be made in that
situation?
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Just tell me if you are positive, without any doubt whatsoever, that there
are no moral absolutes, a easy yes or no answer.
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I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’d say no, there are not. Not with our
current level of knowledge, at least. Most historical instances of someone
presenting society with claims of moral absolutes have been in the name of one
religion or another. Since noone has been able to successfully prove, beyond
the shadow of a doubt, that one particular religion/denomination is the One True
Religion (and that includes Atheism), no moral claim can be honestly held to be
absolute unless every person in the history of humanity can at least nominally
be proven to have held that belief.
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) Many people view atheism as a belief system rather than a religion. Your points still stand, nonetheless, but I did want to point it out. I'll go farther, and state that I feel that people who consistently call atheism a religion are, in my (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) The problem you're citing is basically one of semantics, so I don't think it's a good refutation of Lee's posited mathematical absolute. Whether you refer to "four" as 10 or IV or cuatro or 4, the underlying numeric principle is the same, and (...) (20 years ago, 18-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Hi Dave, well I certainly can tell by your views you are a moral relativist from your distorted definition of tolerance. There are absolutes in the world. Moral, logical absolutes. There are universal truths that apply to everyone, across all (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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