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(...) Really? Then why can I only choose from a field of one cable company in my area? Dave! (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Chris, you're wasting your breath with Scott. Many (but unfortunately not all) of us now ignore Scott... you might consider it too. But to answer your question, yes, Scott does think that way about the US, by and large. (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Harsh... Not very PC of you to point that out. I must say, for a sec there, I thought RM was talking about HERE in his quote about it being war... for after all, he does not play well with others here, does he? Consider this post (URL) the big (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll let the market (of ideas) decide. Oh wait, it did! You lost, Dave! (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What gave you that idea? I've spelled out some of his howlers in this very forum! And here's another: Following 9-11, he claimed that the Bush administration allowed the bin Laden family's private jet to roam freely throughout the US, (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because others do things in a way that doesn't adhere to the "Too high" standard that the almighty United States sets for the rest of the world... I'll stick with Canada, where new political party(s) can spring up overnight, and long standing (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Alas, that's just the way it goes; do you think that in a government-less world that wouldn't be the case? I want the free market to cough up a free place for me to live, but the free market doesn't do that any more than the current situation (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *YOU* are the one that *CONDEMNED* Iraq for breaking Geneva conventions. You want it every way as long as it's *your* way. You are adding *no* value except to perpetuate your own fallicious reasonings, ad nauseum. Go ahead, condemn the (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tables turned? You think our(U.S.)military would shoot at a downed pilot in the water unless that person was allready shooting at us?What's it going to take with you? (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you (presumably being a friend, or at least sympathetic to some of his views) are then OK with out and out lying as long as it's in support of your cause? How morally relativistic of you, Dave! Where would you draw the line, exactly, at (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This one's for resident heavy-hitter and heavy-lifter Larry P, y'all know how he loves a cite from authority: "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does such an island exist? As far as I can tell, all land on this planet is either claimed by some particular government (and thus ought not to be hived off without the acquiescence of that government, or of the landowners or at least of (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think Larry is referring to the constraints of the monopoly of the 2 party system in America. As I have in the past, I see nothing wrong with joining one of the 2 parties and working for change *within* that context instead of trying to (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well I watched the Oscars in its entirety last night and I'd have to say that MM's little tirade was the harshest criticism of the war. But to say that he was 'loudly boo-ed' by the 3500+ celebs is a wee bit of a stretch. There were 'boo's (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ploughed ground, as they say. Even friends of Moore acknowledge his fast-and-loose treatment of facts and research. But at least his site links to some cool articles: www.michaelmoore.com WARNING: Not exactly a bastion of impartiality. Dave! (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you simply couldn't resist an opportunity to invoke Dave! (...) I may be misunderstanding the question, but let me try with a hypothetical stab at it. Suppose you and a group of like-minded individuals locate and claim a previously (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sooo, damning us if we do, and damning us if we don't. Sounds about right. BTW, what's all of this "we" language? JOHN (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I can't vouch for the veracity of this site... (URL) I find it interesting that it even exists. (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What can you do? He's a "John Neal." See: (URL) Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Weeks said: (...) Then Neal said: (...) Isn't the basis of your faith a struggle between the good and bad out to achieve their own goals? I my world view self-interest is a given. It is the moving force behind every human action since the beginning. (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Preface: Plowed ground alert. I probably shouldn't have posted a flurry of responses, just summarised and let it go. This has been discussed before at length. That said, onward. (...) Not in and of itself. But if you had a grand scheme for a $1000 (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's unamerican to think that people are self interested? Or to think that nations are made up of good and bad people? Or to think that America is largely like many other countries? (...) Well, they couldn't know _how_ close it would be until (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dolt--tell me when we wouldn't bend/break or otherwise disregard conventions where it suited our winning the war that much quicker--I direct you to the post about the two terrorists interrogated to death. "Our" side of this war might regard (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How so? Do you mean we're not free to form a new nation, or that we're not free to move from one to the next? In some cases, the latter is certainly true, but that's just the market in action; different types of product are available, with (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dolt. (URL) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOike Butch and Sundance-- "Let's go over the rules before the fight..." "Rules??? There are no rules in this fight" "Okay!" upon which Butch (Paul Newman) proceeds to hoof his nemesis in the groin. End of fight. I always thought that was (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who is comprised of people just like you and me. There is nothing magical about the Federal Government compared to any other group of concerned people. I would also point out that the government didn't do very much to stop the abuse until (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pretty cynical. And un-American, I might add. (...) As in investing, "past performance doesn't guarantee future results";-) (...) Rigged??? Come on. How did those who "rigged" the election know it would be so close in popular vote? The idea is (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are sufficiently high barriers to entry (the 200+ nations collude together to prevent new entrants) that your assertion that "the market is free" is false, Dave! (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If it is being tampered with, then it isn't free. Or is that what you meant? (...) Building codes also prevent a wide array of construction techniques that are cheaper and safer because the building industry is entrenched in the code setting (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, David, you were reading too fast. You missed the point. I speak of a marketplace*of* ideas themselves, a marketplace IN government systems. But be that as it may, past reading in this group will show that I don't agree that government (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure it does. You can't argue that we have the right of choice if there's no free market (of ideas, or of systems) to choose from, except unless you argue that we have to lump the choices, constrained as they are by the International (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The market is plenty free--we have 200+ nations to choose from! The fact that no nation has arisen to suit the desires of every last person is irrelevant. That's the market in action. Dave! (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Iraq is a nation that must worry about the overly-enthusiastic flight of their soldiery. Anything that makes their dessertion less likely is a good idea. The more wary of taking POWs that we are, the more likely we are to shoot them instead of (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would surmise that "Fre Market" and "Governmental Systems" are exclusive. There has to be oversight to "Free Market" in order to maintain the safety and health of those involved in the Free Market system--hence Gov't. I live in a reasonably (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John: This is war, boy -- there are no rules! You meet me in a street a fight and I will win. Why? Because I don't fight according to rules, I fight to win. People that have met me in real life would probably fault me for being overly polite and (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott: "America admits suspects died in interrogations" (URL) over here in the States, as you may recall, so I ask you: what sort of source is the Independent? My only bigger point is that we are all of us whores for our side -- no one is innocent. (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That doesn't really address the topic at hand (and perhaps that was your intent). -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The problem is there's no free market in governmental systems at the moment, and the present players collude to keep it that way. (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, come on. An analogy is inadequate if the salient characteristic likened between the two subjects is fundamentally distinct, as in the case of a slave who cannot leave the US and a citizen who can freely expatriate (and renounce that same (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I said, morally you may be correct, but practically, I see no better way to proceed. It's not an ideal contract, because you are bound by your predessor's contract, not one you made for yourself. I must admit I categorically reject the (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Rather than simply asserting that it is not a contract, you must demonstrate why it is not a contract. You can't just say "it's a dodge" and pretend to have refuted it. (...) The slaves who were freed (and thereafter remained in the US) (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What are the criteria used to determine if an analogy is adequate? No analogy will be perfect because it isn't the exact situation that is being discussed. It is a tool used to point out certain particular similarities that are important to the (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) PoW footage 'breaks convention' [the text you cite] (URL) should not be used as part of the propaganda war between the two sides, and all warring factions should respect that, says Ms Notari, a former PoW in Somalia herself. Those rules should (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I pay my taxes and vote my concience. I just think it's messed up to call it a contract. It's a dodge. I'd be happier if we just enunciated the fact that we are partially or sort-of owned by the state. As long as they control our right to (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You've got to stop using the slaves as an example, because you're hurting your argument. The slaves were forcibly removed from their homeland and forcibly kept at work here as property. They had no opportunity to renounce citizenship and leave (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, and the "taxes" paid by the slaves -- in the form of 100% of their productivity -- aided them as well as their fellows. They were fed, clothed, and housed without ever having to worry about those things. And in some cases, the system (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Excuse me? In many cases it was forcibly resolved by the Federal Government. (...) As was demonstrated in 2000, the will of a majority of the people is not necessarily reflected in the election process. (...) You misunderstand--brokers (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) Which resolved regardless of the the attempts to stop it. (...) So? That is why we have an election. (...) So? Who's fault is it if they lose everything gambling on the securities industry. (...) Also resolved despite efforts to the (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This ia always an interesting quandry. The contract has always been viewed as new-generation-enforcable, but is that correct? Are you bound by your parent's contract (or as far back as necessary to either the original constitution or your (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is all a dodge: you stated that the left hates Bush because he is a Christian, and yet they supported a Christian for president. The evidence doesn't support your theory. (...) So was I. (...) Actually, they get what they want even if (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do these goods have to do with taxes? Except for the second order effect of a legal framework to protect contracts, that is. There's no reason any of these have to be government provided. You picked the wrong goods to praise government (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) there seems to be a great deal of material here, and what I did read seemed well thought out. (URL) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then they will discover the power of democracy. ;) Remember Bush’s "Read my lips" promise? Scott A (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've only seen the former. The fact that you call it "the movie with Sting" sort of sums it up. ;) I'm sure I liked it at the time [I was 16]; but it's not stood the test of time all that well. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think there's a big difference b/w the two--in your case, the services you receive via 'your tax dollar' aid you as well as your fellow man. Sure you were 'born into' the agreement, or 'moved into' the agreement when you become a citizen of (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is absolutely true. (...) By remaining in the country (and partaking of the benefits of government programs) you have willingingly entered the contract (or your parents entered you into the contract, which you must take up with them). (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, explain how it was abrogated (in legally specific terms) and then file suit. Otherwise, leave the country and renounce your US citizenship. Dave! (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) mini-series? (...) The Lynch movie captured the atmosphere much, much, much better though it certainly has it's own array of faults. I couldn't finish the miniseries, I hated it so much! Really, the book is too complicated to easily convert to (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) How does one exit? What if the contract was abrogated by one side (the side with the big guns)? (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) False. Contracts are things agreed to by both parties. I was never given a choice to reject taxes and the attendant benefits. I am no more _morally_ bound by this "social contract" than were the Africans enslaved in the south through their (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Was the movie with Sting better than the William Hurt 'Made for TV' mini-series? I liked the mini-series better myself--the 'thopers alone! Though Jean Juc was in the movie--"I thought you were dead" :) Dave K (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Slam your body down and zigazig ah! Dave! (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You may freely assert that point, but you must also document it, and you should also document how things would have been better without government intervention. The examples I gave: (...) are not social changes (with the exception of the (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I presume you're talking about the government in the latter case, but can you rephrase that without the "at gunpoint" phrase? There's no initiation of force involved; it's simple enforcement of social contract. You may disagree with the (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ok, I was refering to the operation of the Government, not the social changes that occured between now and then despite the government's best efforts to the contrary. See maybe we have a slight difference of opinion here. I see the Government, not (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... and who are the spice worms? ;) Scott A (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While I agree with the trend of your note as a whole -- times have never been perfect and nostalgia is often silly, This one point seems weird. I would rather that people have the ability to trick me losing my money than to take it from me at (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, he was pretty much boo'ed off the stage. It was a good show though--probably the first time I actually sat down and watched the entire show. (hopeing for more 'Lord of the Rings' wins, but alas...) Dave K (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the interest of furthering my understanding, are you talking about the same time period in which civil rights were non-existent, Presidents could serve an unlimited number of terms, the securities industry was wholly (and tragically) (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Modified hypothetical: Let a = whacky terrorist group run by a psychopath. Let b = nuke-bearing dictatorship run by a guy who likes living the good life and pretty evil, but not plausibly insane. Let c = big country that they both hate. So, a (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. I can't think of a plausible reason to think that we are more concerned with doing good than _everyone_ else. I think that all people are motivated by their own interests which means that any country or society will have "good" and "bad" (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It looked like more of a mob to me. Given the pictures of the conflict shown on al Jazeera, I wonder how [the collective] you would react if the tables were turned? al Jazeera: (URL) this site have an English version?] Scott A (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've still not seen it yet, but well done: Anti-war speeches dominate Oscars (URL) his gracious acceptance speech:] "Fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president... mean we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry "The Plagiarist" Pieniazek writes: Look in the mirror: 1) Think about the way the USA treats POWs from Afghanistan. 2) Think about the war criminals the USA harbours within its borders. 3) Think about the war (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not necessarily. If he believes like a good boy in global warming, abortion, gun control, entitlements, etc,etc, and keeps his (misguided) religion to himself he's okay. I wonder if Bush's favorite TV show is King of the Hill? :-) (...) No, (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As Rodney might say, "tough crowd"-- it's almost as if people think the idea isn't all half bad:-) (...) I see your point, but even if we were able to go back, it would certainly have a profound effect upon society *as we know it*. But how (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmmm, I'm find my myself in disagreement about the first three points already... 1: The war it legal (conclusion). What in the world makes a war "legal"? A better term would be "sanctioned", but if the author really likes the other, I can (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well of course many people think we shouldn't have placed the sanctions on Iraq. Of course I'm not sure what they think we should have done to convince Iraq to "play nice". Of course there is a point that perhaps we weren't justified in (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, doesn't each of the original 13 states have a copy of the constitution? Of course nuking D.C. wouldn't get the oldest constitution in effect (you'd have to nuke Boston to do that). Also, the nuke isn't going to incinerate the whole city, (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying that Gore isn't a Christian? Quick internet check: Southern Baptist. Oh hey, his favorite movie is Local Hero and TV show is Futurama. Well, alright! Oh, sorry for the digression. So, if what you say is true, then the Left hates (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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A lot of that stuff is still hotly debated, Larry. Those are not precisely facts; and it's not as if Buckley doesn't wear his political leanings pinned to his chest. ::cough:: right-wing::cough:: A lot of it was straw man stuff -- easy targets (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No that would not end our society as we know it. It would go a long way toward restoring the government though. At the very least we should try to go back to the pre-FDR days. Ask your grandparents about how the elected representatives used (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Fox is hardly a cite I consider without bias -- I'll wait until at least a few other sources join in confirming the story. And while I don't claim any conspiracy exists to make Saddam appear to be a bad guy (I mean, I accept that he is a bad guy), (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Speaking of trolls... (...) Please cite for me examples in history where the taking out of a capital by a nuclear weapon has been manifestly unimportant in the grand scheme of things. (...) So, let me get this straight-- you assert that the (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> Thanks for this cite, David, it's interesting and thought provoking reading. (...) other approach, it isn't always the best choice. Let's assume for this post that it's our problem to solve (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Pitched at students, it's still a good summation of a lot of the arguements flying around. It's also a good scorecard you can to use to evaluate the players here and their relative grips on reality. (note that RM fails point 3 badly) (URL) that (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) didn't because it's too early to know whether there's anything to this. Maybe it's a false alarm... Of course with our great powers of fakery, all part of the Vast Conspiracy(tm), it wouldn't take more than a day or two to knock up a 100 (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) hehe maybe not for long: (URL) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Did you not read how Bush and Blair both admit they cannot connect AQ and SH? It's on the white house's own pages. So your hypothetical is just that -- entirely imaginary. And I have yet to see where Iraq has these fearful weapons of mass (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I appreciated the approach of this article, because I agreed with their premise-- that to simply cry "no war" without providing any alternate solution is mindless. It is unfortunate that the examples they gave to elucidate their hypothesis in (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Another reason to kick their miserable a$$es. If we did that in the U.S. people would practically overthrow the government... this just goes to show how bad Saddam has gotten and why we should remove him and his corrupt, totalitarian regime. (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hypothetical Situation: Let ! =a group of terrorists Let @ =an autocratic country with wmds, built or in progress. Also, they dont have a single resource anyone would want Let # =a country that the 2 above hate with every fiber of their being (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fair enough. (...) Yeah, because I *do* make a distinction between the deadly force perpetrated by both sides. The Israelis desire to root out and kill *terrorists*-- the fact that these cowardly scumbags hide in and among the civilian (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Gadzooks! That's just intolerable. I guess we should just go over there and teach them a lesson. O wait... Risks of War: death, maiming, mutilation, maltreatment, rape...doesn't much matter which side you are on from what I have understood of it. (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Iraq military really knows how to treat people....they received a report that a pilot ejected and landed in the tigris river in baghdad...so what does the irag military do? ...they shoot at the river....nice way to take pows. (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) (URL) should be required reading for all the gun-toting "Shoot first, ask questions later" yahoos who think because they have the ability to shoot a gun, that using one solves problems better than any other way. Anti-war does (...) (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John: You really will just argue inanely over almost anything won't you? Frank's post was so reasonable, so even-handed as to almost be void of interesting comment. At face value, and as history has taught us again and again -- taking out a single (...) (22 years ago, 23-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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