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Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
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Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:21:08 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> Ok, I was refering to the operation of the Government, not the social changes
> that occured between now and then despite the government's best efforts to the
> contrary. See maybe we have a slight difference of opinion here. I see the
> Government, not as the people who will fix things for us, but the cause of
> most of the problems.
You may freely assert that point, but you must also document it, and you
should also document how things would have been better without government
intervention. The examples I gave:
> the same time period in which civil rights were non-existent, Presidents could
> serve an unlimited number of terms, the securities industry was wholly (and
> tragically) unregulated, women were all but chained to their stoves, the
> military draft was in full effect, the environment was freely polluted by
> unmonitored industry, the interstate freeway system didn't exist, poll taxes
> were in effect, alcohol was illegal, rural electrical service didn't exist,
> and the FDIC hadn't yet come into being?
are not social changes (with the exception of the women/stoves bit) but
are in fact direct, positive results of government programs. Social
security, though a favorite target of conservatives, has also been a
tremendously successful program (in terms of its original intent, rather
than its current use).
If you're going to assert that these are mere social changes that took
place "despite the government's best efforts to the contrary," then you
really need to demonstrate how the government tried to stop these from
occurring, and how they failed to do so.
Additionally, it's tough for me to respond to your arguments if you don't
cite the post that preceded yours!
Dave!
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