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Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
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Mon, 24 Mar 2003 05:30:01 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:

No that would not end our society as we know it. It would go a long way toward
restoring the government though. At the very least we should try to go back to
the pre-FDR days. Ask your grandparents about how the elected representatives
used to have real jobs and only went to D.C. when there was actually something
to do. (As opposed to now where they inadvertently create most of the social
problems they claim to be trying to fix.) See the funny thing about a
Representative Republic is that we do not rely on our government (or at least
we are not supposed to) it is there to serve the people. (not the other way
around)

  In the interest of furthering my understanding, are you talking about the
same time period in which civil rights were non-existent, Presidents could
serve an unlimited number of terms, the securities industry was wholly (and
tragically)
unregulated, women were all but chained to their stoves, the military draft was
in full effect, the environment was freely polluted by unmonitored industry,
the interstate freeway system didn't exist, poll taxes were in effect, alcohol
was illegal, rural electrical service didn't exist, and the FDIC hadn't yet
come into being?
  Sure, those times were great if you were an independently wealthy white male.
Your nostalgia is exactly that: nostalgia.  Which is to say that you're
conveniently ignoring the ugly aspects of the charming era you're fondly (and
selectively) recalling.  Granted, the current system is prone to corruption,
but it was certainly so in pre-Roosevelt times, too.  Would you prefer that the
Federal Government taxes you, or would you rather be robbed with impugnity by a
crooked stockbroker who didn't let you see the prospectus?

  And I'm also curious about those non-full-time representatives you refer to;
of them, how many were those aftorementioned independently wealthy white males,
and how many of them strove to change the system for the benefit of all who
lived under it?  And, of that small number, how many did so except by being
forced to do the right thing by extremity of circumstance, such as war, The
Depression, or the like?

     Dave!



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  Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
 
(...) While I agree with the trend of your note as a whole -- times have never been perfect and nostalgia is often silly, This one point seems weird. I would rather that people have the ability to trick me losing my money than to take it from me at (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
 
Ok, I was refering to the operation of the Government, not the social changes that occured between now and then despite the government's best efforts to the contrary. See maybe we have a slight difference of opinion here. I see the Government, not (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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(...) No that would not end our society as we know it. It would go a long way toward restoring the government though. At the very least we should try to go back to the pre-FDR days. Ask your grandparents about how the elected representatives used (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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