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Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
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Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:30:49 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> > > the same time period in which civil rights were non-existent,
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> Which resolved regardless of the the attempts to stop it.
Excuse me? In many cases it was forcibly resolved by the Federal Government.
> > > Presidents could
> > > serve an unlimited number of terms,
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> So? That is why we have an election.
As was demonstrated in 2000, the will of a majority of the people is not
necessarily reflected in the election process.
> > > the securities industry was wholly (and
> > > tragically) unregulated,
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> So? Who's fault is it if they lose everything gambling on the securities
> industry.
You misunderstand--brokers routinely cheated their customers, and now
Federal regulations existed to stop it. Let's say that the next time you go
to the doctor, he surgically inserts a baboon's kidney into your body. Will
you simply admit that you gambled and lost?
> > > the military draft was in full effect,
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> Like it would be again if neccessary.
Perhaps, but it was supported by the Federal Government that you recall
with nostalgia and was ended by the Federal Government that you decry.
> > > the environment was freely polluted by
> > > unmonitored industry,
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> So? Industry is self correcting. If no one buys a product because that company
> pollutes they wouldn't do it would they.
That's optimistic, but it's also foolish naivete. Experience shows that
corporations will work to get away with exactly as much as actionable
legislation will allow them to get away with. If you're positing some kind
of self-policing free market model, you'll need to docuement the precise
implementation of it, and you'll need to show that it would be superior to
what's now in place. Otherwise, you're simply wishing.
> > > the interstate freeway system didn't exist,
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> Yeah Ford, Chevy, and Lincoln did some good lobbying for that. Nevermind they
> also paid to rip out most of the rail lines.
That's an ad hominem attack. Anyway, you're asserting the only
beneficiaries of the interstate system are car companies. Is this your view?
> > > poll taxes were in effect,
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> Its a wonder no politicians were shot over that.
Right, but they're the politicians of the era that you recall so fondly.
> > > alcohol was illegal,
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> Yeah that worked about as good as the war on drugs.
Right, but it was made illegal by the politicians of the era that you
recall so fondly.
> > > rural electrical service didn't exist,
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> So? Our reliance on a centralized power grid is a weakness not a strength.
It's hardly centralized, unless by "centralized" you mean that there are
hundreds of generation points and thousands of distribution centers. What's
your alternative?
> > > and the FDIC hadn't yet come into being?
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> And it has been screwing with the economy ever since.
Because I'm a nice guy, I'll let you research and retract that statement
before I destroy it for you.
> See this is my viewpoint. People are responsible for their own actions, and
> should be held accountable for them.
Well, that's nice as a pipe dream, but it has never had the chance to work
in reality (not on Earth, anyway, and pre-industrial-revolution-era villages
don't count as models). But what on Earth makes you think that corporations
would be any more readily accountable than the Government that you so revile?
Dave!
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