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(...) Important clarification: The link, however strongly we feel about it, is only equivalent to the Taliban "committing an act of war" by the US definition of that term. The link is still under dispute. You can't say that the Taliban committed an (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A quick summary is that Stephen Biko was a black South African under aparteid who refused to not speak out against it; this got him expelled from university for his politcal views, and turned into a fugitive by the government. He was arrested (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Any right that the ruling powers of Afganistan had to accuse us of being interventionist and meddling have been forfieted by commiting an act of war against this country. They may have a problem with our support of Israel, they may have a (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry, Sorry for picking on this one point that in general I agree with. I just wanted to get your (and others) opinions on a hypothetical situation. Lets say the Taliban is evil (I think Larry and I agree that it is) and a clear connection (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snippage] Yeah, you got it, and then a few additional angles that I wasn't thinking about at that moment, but which apply very well. Nicely said! I'll go for that. :D LFB (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you have a quick link or two to proffer? Something relatively short or predigested, or maybe you could do a para or two runthrough? There is so MUCH to read these days, but I haven't heard exactly why he has significance (I recall that (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It *is* semantics. But it's very important semantics. When you hear "war" today, do you think most Americans instantly think "Oh, war. Tripoli, 1801-1805. Of course." Or do they think WWII, Vietnam, or the Gulf? I'd bet dollars to donuts (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> Thanks for that perspective, all good points! I agree that the term war has been cheapened by such inane uses as WoD. (you and I both know that you and I are both opposed to it, anyway, no (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll take a shot at trying to figure out what LFB meant... I think what is being suggested is that the term "war" is cheapened when used in the manner it has been for the last three decades or so. I am referring to phrases like the "war on (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Simply that today is the anniversary of Biko's funeral (his actual death was the 13th of September, his admitted death somewhere between the two). Biko's work, and his murder had a fairly profound effect on me, and I was reminded of that today (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm unsure of what the actual goal of this post is, though I like that people are reading Biko. :D Clarification? best LFB (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko, 1946-1977 (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This one is particularly difficult I think. Personally I wouldn't hand out with intolerant bigots and they wouldn't want to hand out with me either. Their friends probably think as they do so they get support for their way of thinking. The (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This editorial: (URL) the point that it is not just the president that ought to be exhorting Americans to be tolerant, it's all of us. But what can we do. We can call for tolerance on discussion forums. We can tell our Muslim friends we like them as (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Ashcroft faces congressional worries over proposed law changes" (URL) They OUGHT to be worried. CNN's summary of the proposed law makes it seem innocuous, though, which is worrisome. (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evidence doesn't support the "action" being pacifistic. But let's step back here. We've been wrangling and you're too stubborn to admit you're wrong about the nuances (you accused me of wriggling, all I did was try to restate things, I stand (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed, agreed... (...) Well I've just come off (or maybe still am in) a huge row with ROSCO about semantics around "pacifist" (I still don't get what point he is trying to make) so maybe this is semantics but I am not sure I understand. Why (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Horst, (...) Please replace "attack" with "action". ROSCO (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snipped text of news article> Uh-oh. A sign of the Apocalypse: I agree with Larry. =o Seriously, though, I hope the people who answered the poll were just not thinking straight. If not, there are more stupid people in this country than I (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Dan, (...) Having the same roots doesn't make things identical. (...) Not for long, though ... (...) That they are not exactly the government of Israel? Greetings Horst (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Ross, (...) Please, explain what a nonviolent attack is. BTW: I was not talking about Flight 93 when I first posed my question about pacifism ... Greetings Horst (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry, (...) <snipped a lot of Larry's answer> (...) I can certainly agree to this statement. My original question was geared more towards the type of action required to - make sure radical islamists are isolated instead of multiplied - (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :: in the voice of the ugly american :: Demned Fer'ners! Wha' isus, uh freakin' luv-in?! -- Hop-Frog (some frogs have teeth) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That *is* kind of scary. It should serve as an indication of how fundamental the crisis of such thinking is, that groups from the far-right *and* the far-left are willing to work together with a broad spectrum of groups in between to oppose (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Holy Toledo. I would have expected a peak of maybe 30% for the ID question (still frightening). That poll was done on 14-15 sep, I really hope the percentage has dropped (a lot) in the last week and a bit. Man. That means half the people (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't just take my word for it: See the wiretap section of this page: (URL) ACLU and the LP are hardly allies on much of anything these days... except civil liberties). As for your "willing to authorise innocent deaths" red herring, it's your (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From you know who... The poll results scare the JEEPERS out of me. - start - WASHINGTON, DC -- Americans who want to fight terrorism by mandating Taliban-style "special identification" for Arab-Americans, by allowing police to randomly search (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahem. If you didn't notice, this is .debate. We'll not be having any of that socialistic "concurrence" crud here! If you can't say something adversarial about someone here, we'll have to pelt you with MegaBloks. [1] ;D (...) "I bring you ... (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The US has sent $124 million to Afghanistan to buy food this year, topping the $114 million last year. The amount of wheat sent there is about 10% of Pakistan's exports. So at least our money went for food? Powell said "Our [UN] aid bypasses (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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i whole heartedly concur! i think i will use your letter as a model for my own. fight war with love! -lenny (...) listen. (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe, maybe not. This is definitely on the agenda, however: (URL) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) looks good and it really does.I am looking forward to seeing it in person. (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.build.arch, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Try this, for an idea on why that stance may have to shift: (URL) the Obvious" here: (URL) ) --DaveL (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) him for what he's done well. The interactive historical atlas that this is a part of is pretty amazing... the TOC is here: (URL) is a LOT more there than just the map of Israel that David refers to. I liked some of the animated GIFs best. For (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A few references Israel's changing border: (URL) Vetoes of UN Resolutions Critical of Israel (URL) general assembly resolutions here: (URL) security council resolutions here: (URL) another perspective -- take it or leave it (URL) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And Bricksmith Brian Stokes too. ((URL) I dunno if he's a full prof or just an instructor or what. He, wisely, stays out of .debate as well. It's kind of like a cross between a drug addiction and the sick pleasure some get in watching a train (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, can I have it be just the sort of movies I watch instead of all of them? Then my life would be romantic-comedy-SF-porn. (but no horror, I never watch those) You know? I think I would LIKE that. FUT fun (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) A lot. Some have passed, and some, as you point out, have been vetoed. I would ask you though, if you think UN resolutions are something to pick and choose from, or whether one has to accept them all. If the latter, does that mean you (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think Mike's comments here demonstrate a vital tension in Western society, and possibly all societies. One of the defining attributes of social living is task specialisation: farmers, soldiers, leaders. An individual can have many strings to (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not tenured, adjunct at best. All of our dignity has been thoroughly crushed. :D (Wait, why the heck am I grinning about that?!?) John Ladasky too, but he doesn't poke into .debate AFAIK. best LFB (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Jeff Stembel" <jeff.stembel@noaa.gov> wrote in message news:GK5zvA.FJ9@lugnet.com... (...) Well there seems no end of do gooders who want to blame most other things they dont agree with like drugs, violence, sex, etc, on the influence of (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: why not just give them the Olympics? (was Re: From a mailing list)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GK6C76.MpA@lugnet.com... (...) I see one of the spokepersons at the Liberal Democrate Party conference today called for the Afgans to be bombed with food. regards lawrence (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) certain (...) my (...) democracy? (...) in (...) of (...) That's ridiculous. (...) - David (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who threatened you? Maybe I missed it. (...) I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm here whenever you want to follow through on YOUR OWN statements. Stick to the facts: You got rude, I drew a line, you insisted otherwise, I said prove it, you (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because violence begets violence, hates begets hate. The only way to overcome it and live in peace is to not play the game. But how can the Palestinians overcome a bunch of racist, exclusionist thugs like the Zionists especially when they are (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I calls them as I sees them. And if anything, I was trying to antagonize people into being anything BUT political sheep. You should do as pleases you. But I wasn't attacking you for anything more than defending the words of a man I (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, if I made threats, then what did I threaten to do to Tom? He was the one who threatened to treat me rudely in person. I thought it was clear that I was calling the barking dog off his porch. And I also thought I made it clear I had no (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did I ever threaten any specific person in here with direct violence? No, but I got threatened by cowards. (...) Showing your stripes again - hiding behind insults. I am far from a coward. If something really matters to me, I'll defend (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would like to bring the people responsible to justice. Just not by whatever means necessary. I believe in a measured approach that risks as few American (and other peoples') lives as possible. I'd just like to point out that if bin Laden is (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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David: Okay, now we are caught up in nit-picking over the incidents of both sides and what constitutes protecting citizens when some of them are de facto PLO members who oppose and resent Israeli rule. We might as well stop here... No one is (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I have to agree with the general emphasis of the text below. If the richer nations of the world could share a little of their wealth then perhaps the world would be slightly better. Feeding the starving inside Afghanistan lets the Afghans see that (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Democracy. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Dave Low" <stinglessbee@hotSPA...Email.com> wrote in message news:GJx646.ICw@lugnet.com... (...) of angry (...) picture. (...) Show (...) I actually replied to myself. Scott A (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
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"Daniel Jassim" <danieljassim@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GK1t0t.6G7@lugnet.com... (...) terrorist (...) I have to agree with this analogy. Who sponsors this terrorism? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why expect me to "debunk" this? I do not offer blind support to the Palestinians - although you do appear to blindly oppose them. I am not an apologist for Palestinians or the Israelis. You should not forget that the Israelis have sought to (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GJx8oE.2rq@lugnet.com... (...) Rights? (...) of (...) With regards to airport security, I would have thought you would want to leave it to the airlines to improve security? (...) (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lindsay Braun at an absolute minimum... (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) would (...) threats (...) this (...) maybe (...) I'm a very nonviolent person. The only time I can imagine resorting to the use of force is when I'm physically threatened and I can't run away. Up until now I've always managed to avoid the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Huh? Those are just movies, not real life, so why would we expect it to happen? Are you suggesting that people in other countries get ideas to blow up American buildings from watching them? I suppose by that thinking, everyone's life should be (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 'terrorist (...) This seems to assume that the UN is perfect. What if the UN chooses to use force against a government's people or property to make the government tow the line? Isn't that terrorism? Chris (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dan, why don't you agree with their attacking the Israelis? If I were certain that your side of their behavior were the most accurate rendition of what's going on, I would have full support for their violence. When I go down your list of (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) resort (...) Disagree. You did basically threaten him because he was rude. (...) (not (...) Agree. Nothing you have said could be taken as even remotely threatening this time around. On the other hand, If I were an Israeli (who believed the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry but all those american action movies in last 30 years... So many katastrophic movies... A don't know why are amricans now so suprised when so any katastrophe happened in real life in NYC. It's sad what happened but I guess that it was (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Dan, (...) I think you should calm down a bit. I have already said that I don't see the benefit of finding out who is responsible for more terror. The truth is as simple as this: ALL of that has to stop. Period. Nothing else will ever bring (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Look who's talking, especially after some of your comments in the debate about handguns. *For those of you that don't know, Tom is referring to one incident when he insisted that he'd treat me rudely in person and my response was "come show (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Judging by your previous comments in this group, you're a hothead that would resort to physical violence. Far past comments, and very recent ones. I think David is just reading your comments for what they are, veiled threats (not so veiled in (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You know Rick, it's stuff like this that gives the rest of the world a bad impression of Americans. Perhaps if people from other countries didn't believe that we all think as you do, we wouldn't have incidents like this occuring. Just something to (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just why would I hit you? What, I'm some sort of bully beating on people? You don't know me so cut the crap. (...) You asked before what the connection was, it's Heigel (sp). The Zionists are from the same fundamental tree as the Nazis-- (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't often point out arrogance in others as I've very aware that I sometimes exhibit more than my own share of it. Not sure if you're pegging me as one of these sheep, although if you are I guess it doesn't bother me much, as I don't need (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which, assuming viiolence was involved[1], I agree with. You did not, however, include the extra information in the statement I originally challenged, and *still* disagree with. You've subsequently provided three alternative staements (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course. I was answering certain accusations and not listing all that I see wrong in modern day Israel. surely, Mr. Gilon is not who Daniel Jasim referred to as a "terrorist (by America's very own definition)". I'm sure no one in the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford continues to squirm: (...) Unless "a little bit pregnant" == "not pregnant", pacifists don't commit violent acts. Sorry. Maybe people who think pacifism is a good idea some of the time do, maybe former (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I quote *again* from your reply to Horst: "Thank *all that is worth living for* that the heroes on board that flight *weren't* pacifists." This *is not* the same as "what was done on flight 93 was *not* an act of pacifism". One is talking (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can only agree. I think the main reason that this is happening is that both sides have so little trust in one another that they feel the only way to get something done is through violence. To explain why they resorted to violence they have (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am pretty sure I have never mentioned this in the past. So I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you are mistaking me for someone else. And I am really not sure about the previous acquittal -- but I am willing to read a cite if (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) mark. (...) saying (...) Zulu (...) 53 (...) lying (...) guess (...) militant (...) Oh my God. That's just scary. I'm glad it's not a face to face debate, I have the distinct feeling that by now you would simply hit me. To the rational people (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me reword that. Strike "typically" and replace with "by definition". (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes: <snip> Ross, you're wriggling around, for no real reason I can see, except to avoid admitting the truth of my answer to Horst's question: Horst said: (...) And I answered that what was done on flight (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) So it seems our disagreement here is based on different views of violence. From www.dictionary.com (admittedly not a definitive source): vi·o·lent adj. 1. Marked by, acting with, or resulting from great force: a violent attack. 2. (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here are my answers to Larry's questions regarding the Palestinian Authority. This was previously in an e-mail to him but he was insistant that I respond publicly: (...) I say NO for the simple fact that they regularly condemn terrorist attacks on (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Chris, (...) Well, let me try and explain my rationale, then. I would say there is simply too much at stake on a plane in the air to just let anybody do with a gun as he pleases. What if a bullet hits the gas tanks? Don't you think it requires (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry, (...) Well, that would probably hold some truth, if the baddies weren't also enabled to carry BETTER weapons by such a liberal regulation. (...) Well, so be it then ;-) (...) There is two problems with this approach, though: 1. Once (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Dan, (...) It came to be by a UN resolution. I am not saying this was a just resolution, but was the only solution for this problem really to put Israel to war the day after it was founded? Probably not ... and they lost the war, so it wasn't (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Chris, (...) I like this question, and I'll try and answer it for Germany, where I live. We observe international law. We do not use military violence to change the world, except in cases sanctioned by UN. That seems pretty solid to me, in (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Chris, (...) If you need the fact that they are terrorists to validate your argument, you may decide to change NEVER instead of slowly ... Greetings Horst (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello David, (...) One, that makes us (you, me, the US, Israel, ... pick whoever you like best) the good guys? Good idea, that's what we usually do in such cases ... we create a reality distortion field. BTW, I don't see this definition makes ALL (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Dan, (...) What if they just THINK he has info about it? If you really think this idea to the very end, I think you will prefer to live in a constitutional state. (...) ^^^^^^ "could potentially" probably would be more realistic ... Greetings (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Chris, (...) Thanks :-) (...) No. And is Terrorism only about "innocent civilians"? No. And now it gets a bit harder for some of the guys who thought they were out ... ;-> (...) I'd say no (as above), no (missing the "unlawful" attribute; that (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello David, (...) Why is it so important who does MORE of it? You can probably argue (and kill more people) about that forever ... Greetings Horst (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I expect people to clean up their own messes. Holds for my kids, holds for litterers (I have in the past almost been punched for tossing cigarette butts back into the open windows of cars that they just came out of :-) ), holds for polluters, (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes: <foam snipped> Suppose I stipulate for the purposes of discussion that everything you allege about Israel is true? WILL you answer my questions publicly or not? Email doesn't count unless I have your (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, it's been an ongoing thing. And with lot's of variety: assassinations, air raids, rocket attacks, helicopter attacks, cluster bombs, phosphorous bombs, napalm, etc. (...) 100% pure BS and what a way to twist information! Since you admitted (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's the big lie, my friend. Dan (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 1) The guy says "Moderate physical pressure" the reporter writes "torture". 2) The fight against terrorism isn't "against your own people". 3) If there's good intelligence that there's a suicide bomber heading twards Tel-Aviv, and they catch (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, no. At least some of us believe (or know, think, devine) that Israel is not a terrorist organization... I concure (sp) that Israel is not perfect, and has sometimes done things that were wrong. But it's a long long strech from saying that (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's what I meant by it seems a little funny. (...) I must grapple with the wrongs perpetrated by my own nation. My interest in Israel as a potential "terrorist organization" comes mainly from the fact that my nation has strong ties (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How long must a group of people have stopped supporting or engaging in terrorism for us to acknowledge that they are not (any longer) a terrorist organization? I'm not at all targetting Israel with this. Factions of the IRA evolved away from (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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David: You seem to be pretty selective about what you are willing to comment on. For some information that flies in the face of your assertions about modern day Israel, please see: (URL) don't know the reputation of The Times, but the article (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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