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Re: Special Identification for Arab Americans?
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Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:45:18 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Eric Kingsley writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> > Not continue our interventionist meddling to do so.
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> Larry,
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> Sorry for picking on this one point that in general I agree with. I just
> wanted to get your (and others) opinions on a hypothetical situation.
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> Lets say the Taliban is evil (I think Larry and I agree that it is) and a clear
> connection between them and the terrorists is found to exist. The consequences
> of that could be that they become a target of the war on terrorism. That means
> at some point Afganistan is without a government (no matter how evil a
> government is anarchy doesn't do anyone any good either).
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> What do we do then to avoid interventionist meddling and fix the problem?
Any right that the ruling powers of Afganistan had to accuse us of being
interventionist and meddling have been forfieted by commiting an act of war
against this country. They may have a problem with our support of Israel, they
may have a problem with our military presence in Saudi Arabia, but killing (or
supporting those who killed) 7,000 of our people is not viable "diplomacy."
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> Do we just leave Afganistan to figure it out for themselves? I don't think
> thats a good idea.
The burden of this problem shouldn't rest on the shoulders of the U.S. and the
West alone. The world - including, notably the shirkers amongst us such as
virtually the whole Middle East and in particularRussia need to help Afganistan
become a better place.. America has historically had a small part in the
tangled mess of affairs in that country. It's time that all of the responsible
parties do their fair share of whatever humanitarian and political work needs to
be done for the innocent people of that country.
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> Do we let the Northern Alliance have power? I don't know if thats a good idea
> either.
If they are committed to reasonable principles of fair government, then I'd say
yes, that is a viable alternative.
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> Do we "force" democratic elections on the people? That might be seen as
> forcing our systems on Afganistan.
No, but we can insist that any prerequisites for rulership are a commitment to
honoring human rights.
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> Do we leave and have a coalition of Arab States pick up the pieces? Maybe
> thats the best idea I don't know but we could look really bad.
Frankly, I think that we *all* should pick up the pieces, for the sake of the
innocent sufferers.
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> So what do we do? Is it a no win situation?
Few wars truly are "win" scenarios, even for the victors.
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> > But we need to try.
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> I agree with that.
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> Eric Kingsley
james
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Message has 3 Replies:
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| (...) Important clarification: The link, however strongly we feel about it, is only equivalent to the Taliban "committing an act of war" by the US definition of that term. The link is still under dispute. You can't say that the Taliban committed an (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Special Identification for Arab Americans?
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| (...) While I agree in general, I don't think thats what I was asking. My main worry is that the Arab/Islamic nations outside of Afganistan will see this as meddling in another Islamic nations business and trying to push our ways on them. I could (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Special Identification for Arab Americans?
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| Hello Larry, (...) To me, it seems they are also islamistic, so whatever government they could come up with will probably not be fair to our standards. The question of course is: Does it have to? Or is it enough they don't support international (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Special Identification for Arab Americans?
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| (...) Larry, Sorry for picking on this one point that in general I agree with. I just wanted to get your (and others) opinions on a hypothetical situation. Lets say the Taliban is evil (I think Larry and I agree that it is) and a clear connection (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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