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(...) I think case law supports copyright protection for the author of a letter (and by extension e-mail). (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry. Everyone is right except Dave! Better? Note how I once again got his name to be at the end of the sentence, although one could argue that the exclamation point is not appropriate in this usage. The reason why is left as an exercise. :-) (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) There he goes, fanning the flames again... 8^) Dave! (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Snip snip... everyone is right. (...) Agreed. While I do understand Rick's motivation in doing what he did to try to handle the situation, it might have been better if he could have done so without directly quoting mails. (...) "keep your words (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good point. "Fair use" probably has a much broader than usual definition when applied to interpersonal correspondence. Snail-mail letters are made public all the time, often via media "leaks," but they're released nonetheless. I'm not sure how (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Of course, considering the temper tantrum threat Mladen made, posting it to Lugnet probably eliminated any chance at all of Mladen getting any sympathy whatsoever. (...) -- | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server Technical Support | Netscape Communications (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While as a general rule I agree with this, I think there also is a time for asking what others think of a communication one has received. In this case, perhaps Rick didn't have to share the whole e-mail, but I understand his desire for (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Also interesting. I suppose I was working from an attitude of "I sent it to him; now it's his to do with as he chooses." Caveat Sender. (...) It's easy, if you're shameless! Dave! (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm with Richard and James on this, one should NEVER share someone's private email without permission (I mean unless it contains a serious death threat or something). I do agree that it is safer to assume that what one says could end up in a (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) AFAIK, E-mail is generally considered private. Much like other personal correspondance. Obviously it's not a very enforcable convention, but there ya go. I don't get too steamed about it, although when it happens to me (and I find out), I make (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's interesting. I generally assume that anything I send might end up in such a forum, whether I wish it or not, so I usually try to comport myself in a way I wouldn't be embarrassed to own up to later (though my correspondents may beg to (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I hear its bad form to publish private email content to a public forum without the permission of the author. I did that once or twice and people got very steamed about it. -- Hop-Frog (Venom is green and so am I!) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Shameful. Still, that's a pretty close margin of support. Let's hope the voter support for the "Grind" keeps going down. Dan (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What's sick is that 51% of voters say it should continue simply because it's a tradition! (...) -- | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server Technical Support | Netscape Communications Corp | A division of AOL Time Warner | iPlanet Support - (URL) Please do (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Given that their are only so many brick combination possabillities, from time to time two people are going to come up with the same solution to the same problem. As a Technic builder I feel I'd be possesive of my designs as well. Steve (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, it makes me wonder how much of the support of these very important environmental and ethical issues comes from genuine interest, and how much is just trendy, something-to-do fadism that comes and goes. In my opinion, all support is (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Having spent 10 years in the Penn State environment, wherein people leap to protest the slightest perceived injustice, I'm stunned that no one ever mentioned this, even at the ridiculous annual Earth Day merchandising bonanzas. Thank you for (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here's some online info I found about that pilot whale massacre I mentioned: (URL) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heart disease (arteriosclerosis) is characterized by the blockage and hardening of arteries in the body by cholesterol. Therefore, red meat IS the main culprit because of it's rich cholesterol content. Red meat was not a big part of the (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But you must admit that you're reasoning from anecdotal evidence. Is recycling bad just because some communities (like mine, until recently) drop the ball? From previous exchanges I gather that you have no objection to recycling, in itself; (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think this is a pretty one-sided analysis. All of those are cofactors and I think it would be pretty much an exercise in futility to try to say that one is the main culprit and the others are merely exacerbations. Something that an analysis (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's my feeling. It's a mark of courtesy to point out everyone to whom you owe some sort of inspiration, but darned if I can remember the first person who ever used minifig legs as mecha hands (an eminently spiffy idea!), and I don't expect (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's a good idea! I remember a segment on "20/20" regarding the modern Japanese lifestyle, particularly Tokyo businessmen. Yeah, I do believe they mentioned more cigarette smoking, LONG ass-kicking hours at stressful jobs (away from family), (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd be a fool to deny that there's a connection, but I wonder if other newly-acquired habits have likewise contributed to this rise. For instance (and I ask both rhetorically and because I don't know), how has the incidence of cigarette (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm, yeah I see what you mean but I sense the people of these countries share a deeper connection with the land (they do tend to be farmers) so they're is that respect for nature. (...) Precisely, like in Japan and look at their alarming rise (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I good course of action. If I were at home, I would check to see if Fowlers has any comments too. (...) I agree with this analysis, but even if you didn't want to use the hyphen, I would suggest NON_SCHEDULED_PRODUCT if there is any chance (...) (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In all cases like this I turn to the Oxford Dictionary and Usage Guide to the English language and it says: Non- (prefix) not. Therefore 'Non' is not a word in itself and must be prefixed with a hyphen so if you prefer 'non' you should name (...) (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi, I'm a brazilian and I'm working in a project of despatch scheduling of vehicles ( rail or road ) of plant industries. We have made some data base tables and when we created one about the products not scheduled we called it (...) (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, sounds good but definitely not cheap. (...) I bet the other Christopher meant fast food places and pizza joints. When I lived in Michigan, there were hardly any good places to get decent vegetarian meals, and only one true vegan (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps other problems are bigger? Son of Star Wars perhaps? (...) I do not know enough about the situation to say that. (...) Britain (...) I do not think anyone promotes what happened in the USSR as true "communism". To see how little the (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) couldn't bear to stick this on the end of rolling blackouts, that thread is out of control sizewise) ++Lar (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) And the taxes, which do not capture the true market cost of overgrazing, are then spent on whatever programs the government feels like, rather than on alleviating the problem. Surely you're not seriously arguing that this is efficient, or (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The cheap grazing leads to higher profits. These profits are then taxed. (...) My question betrays our cultural differences. There are may in my country (not myself) who feel that we should remain self sufficient in food encase we come under (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. But as long as they could pay the "bill" I expect they will be welcome. The alternative, would mean imposing morals on others - and I know you are not a fan of that. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll tell you something that would make it easier for me to move to a vegan diet. I'm in California right now, and spent the day in San Francisco. We ate a most incredible dinner at a Vegan restaurant called Millenniun. It was indescribably (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No worms, I dig what you're saying here. I think America has an aversion to the word "communism" and is stuck on the Cold War model of an oppressive "big brother", totalitarian state. Let's pretend there was never a Stalin or Mao and address (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Most of the time, people seem to associate me with the commies, socialists, and/or anarchists(1). Probably because of my involvement in 'punk rock scene'. I don't like to categorize myself with any of them- not because I don't believe in parts (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, stay away from pig meat. The Jews and Moslems had the right idea centuries ago. (...) Exactly, why be cruel? (...) God, Zeus, Budda, Shiva... fill in the blank. <snipped some stuff> (...) Well, I find that odd. Why is it morally wrong (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Remember Libertopia isn't a "utopia" so isn't perfect. But ya, that's the idea. The thought is that strict liability with no dodging responsibility behind corporate shells would lead to a better assessment of costs. (...) Which parties are you (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know... nuclear weapons, rogue asteriods, monsanto corporation, Planet Lunch(tm), the juniorasation of LEGO. ;) (...) you forgot the *more* :) I take the train pretty often. I wish it was cheaper and faster as well. A few years back... (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) there's an interesting project being run by PETA looking at these very issues ( (URL) ). I first looked at the site last year and found it pretty interesting. Probabaly the only thing PETA has ever done that I almost like. (...) Larry, I think (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. My "stupid" comment was meant more to distinguish between cows and, say, dolphins, which I don't want to eat *because* they're too smart. (potentially... sentient!) Cows, Turkeys, Chickens, even Pigs I am fine with. (although I'm a (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that eating meat is a natural thing and not morally wrong itself. However, I strongly feel that it is morally WRONG to eat the flesh of any animal that was raised in filth and suffering and killed inhumanely. Animals deserve a healthy (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. I think our country needs to shift from the old paradigm of "a steak a day" kind of attitude. We overdose on meat! One of the most startling figures is the drastic jump in heart disease cases with the Japanese (who acquired a post war (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And the lifespan of the individual is fleeting in comparison to the lifespan of the genes. I was imprecise in saying "crime," but I was being more metaphorical than litigious. Replace "it's more of a crime" with "the longer-lasting wrong (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We're differing on a definition (as always seems to be the case between us!) If a creature passes down its own genes directly to its offspring, I see that as fundamentally different from allowing the passage of genes in which that creature (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's only marginally helpful (although I thank you for the datapoint) because I don't feel eating meat (of animals bred to be stupid meat animals) morally wrong in and of itself, and I don't find doing things that are self destructive (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think there are some points worth making here. (...) Well...I would say that it is due to poor agrarian practices. It is certainly true that most of the US is used to grow feed crops for chicken, pigs and cows, but that in and of itself, (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well...I'm not sure I'd say it that way. Certainly the picture over time is more relevant to the issue of population control, but you originally stated something like "it's more of a crime if you look at it genetically." The criminality of (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> Thanks for those (pretty scary) factoids! They argue that the true cost of meat is a LOT higher than we are actually paying because the producers are - using subsidised grazing - using subsidized feed - not paying for the pollution they (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I certainly agree with your larger point -- that your ability to reproduce is is more important than your sight to your ability to propogate your genetic line. However, I disagree with your "infinitely greater" comment. When you reproduce, (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I found a few cool pieces of information that seemed relevant to grazing, beef cattle, etc. These facts also point out the environmental benefits of being vegetarian: - About 85% of topsoil erosion is directly attributable to raising animals for (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Once again, though--since we're speaking of how we might address the population/resource crisis of the present and near future world, I don't think it's inappropriate refer to something that's been within the realm of possibility (ie: (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We don't know. The true cost of subsidized beef is unknown. The true cost of eating more meat and less vegetables (health costs, economic benefits of people living longer) is unknown. The true cost of overgrazing is unknown. There are too many (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, but if you're going to take the tack of genetics alone, losing your site virtually guarantees that you die quickly and don't pass your genetics on anyways. If you lose repro capability, at least you can help OTHERS survive. Only in the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, in terms of this discussion, the individual is irrelevant compared to the larger, longitudinal issue we're addressing. Dave! (23 years ago, 2-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In my mind, and in the "mind" of 3.5+ billion years of evolution so far. Which do you think provides objectively a greater chance that your genetics will live on--your ability to see, or your ability to reproduce? Dave! (23 years ago, 2-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) not (...) I suppose. But so what? The individuals are the ones who'll feel the pain in either case, and I think most people would rather have their eyes than their eggs. (...) kids (...) and I (...) So far, I think I'm winning. I've spent more (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that if it were real, it would be technologically nifty...but I guess I agree that it's not really attractive. I would hope to see them do better if they actually got something off the ground...err, shore. (...) Well, yeah. (...) I (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In your mind maybe. To me and my wife, we'd MUCH rather have our sight than kids ;-) I spent $4K for laser surgery just to correct my badly nearsight vision, and I haven't regretted it for a second. -- | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, we are WAY better off producing food in our own country rather than contributing to foolish exploitation and environmentally unsound agricultural practices in other nations. Though we may benefit econimically, we are helping to destroy (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Like I said, it was knee-jerk, rather than rationally considered, and stemmed most likely from the usual perception of the male deciding what's best by seizing control of the female's reproductive process. Upon reflection I realized what you (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand your point. But does the average beef eating man not benift from the cheap grazing in the longer term? Does the US not impose tax on the owners of the cattle? Does your country not gain from sourcing beef from inside the USA (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with that. I am bound by my own inner morals, not the letter of the law, and feel some things that are legal are wrong, and some things that are illeage are not wrong. (...) But that begs the question of how much change is needed. (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The complex. (...) In your opinion. I expect it would be full of the elderly nouveaux riche hoping to avoid paying tax. I expect there would be others their too hoping to exploit “freedoms” which are thankfully illegal in most other civilised (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you have just highlighted one of the biggest problems with modern society. By that, I mean the increasingly common belief that just because an action is within the written law it must be ~OK~. I think this is quite wrong. Loopholes do (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) that I think about it I sure may have been wrong.) What's not pretty about that? The web page, the Ociania complex, or the idea of people building sovreignty on the seas? The only problem with that is that the Ociania project went belly up (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure I was. :-) Put it this way, if you have a system in which government influence can have more economic impact than competing in the market, and in which large companies can effectively change what it is that government influences (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh! It is appropriate for organizations to lobby for the government to do the things that that organization thinks are good. It is inappropriate for the government to do bad things with our mutual resources. I think all the blame for anything (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here is a start. It is not pretty, but it is a start: (URL) A (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which is what we've been seeing in most developed nations for the past forty years. Everyone gets their chance at the genetic lottery, with lower odds. My spin on a couple of other points: -- Environmental impact is affected by consumption and (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's what I thought. (...) Aren't there corporate lobbies that want grazing (continuing with your example) prices that low? I'm not sure you can place all the blame on the goverment. (...) I'm still not sure why they should be owned. I've of (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which won't happen anytime in the near future. One of the biggest impediments to 'universal' public transportation is that our current model of suburban development does not lend itself to fast and convienent transit options. (...) While I (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A suprisingly effective way to curtail population growth (at least in iteroparous organisms) is to delay the age of first production. It's also a lot nicer than forced sterilization. -chris (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As Tom pointed out, I was the one who tossed that out originally. You did the math right and understand the reason. If you are controlling a population (of mamals, at least), the way to do so is to control the female reproduction. Good and bad (...) (23 years ago, 31-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, Chris mentioned the 90% number. As to what the percentage would really be in order to curtail our population explosion, who knows? I'm sure it could be calculated using the averages for twins, etc. But yeah, it's obviously only a thought (...) (23 years ago, 31-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tom, let me see if I understand your reasoning for suggesting the 90% female infertility rate. What you're suggesting seems to be: Given 100 fertile women and 100 fertile men, the effective maximum (barring twins and/or technological (...) (23 years ago, 31-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I haven't managed to total any hotel rooms yet (though other members of my college SF club did discover that silly string doesn't just wipe off the walls one time at a convention... fortunately they took the responsibility and didn't pass it (...) (23 years ago, 31-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Gotcha...soon enough for you to have to deal with it. (...) Amending that to be more in line with what I said later, I mean that we _won't_ do anything, not that we couldn't. (...) Sure, but what can you do? (...) Sure. Anyone who you could (...) (23 years ago, 31-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As long as you can't do that with a hotel room, I should be OK. This year, maybe I'll drive us out to The Store... Chris (23 years ago, 31-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Sounds about right to me, and that's within (hopefully) my lifetime, so I consider that soon ;-) (...) Yeah, but that really sucks, doesn't it? I would rather have a plague that wiped half the planet's population (or left 90% of the women (...) (23 years ago, 31-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "ad nauseum". Very funny. ++Lar (23 years ago, 31-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No the dealers don't, but I'd be REAL curious as to how much drug lord money goes into the political coffers (the drug lords are one thing that I worry about if we ever do decriminalize drugs, they've got a lot invested in their power (...) (23 years ago, 31-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why do I not find that surprising? :-) ++Lar (23 years ago, 31-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course I'm the exception to prove the rule... Of the significant accidents I've been in since I've been down here, 2 out of 3 have been on the interstate, though still in commuter traffic. Hmm, trying to think of accidents or accident like (...) (23 years ago, 31-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But the pot growers don't contribute as much to reelection campaigns as the brewers do. Nor do the cocaine dealers, for that matter. So Jenna doesn't get arrested for partying but thousands of Californians suffering from nausea due to chemo do (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) need to What are you thinking of when you say soon Tom? I'd give it 30-100 years. (...) Nothing. (...) I think that it is ultimately the only solution that can actually address the problem. But how do we get there and how do we speed it up? (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, so _maybe_ SUV owners should pay more for insurance, but not because it consumes more gas. Should I have used the example of a car with a leaking gas tank instead? My point was that gas used is not closely correlated with how I think (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with your "solution". Reducing population via education is the BEST solution (not the draconian "solution" practiced in China for a while where many female babies were left to die because males were "more desirable"). (...) The only (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why should this surprise anyone. It's well known that Bush doesn't feel that this particular law really has any meaning to his family. Of course he'll stamp his foot down on other "drug" law offenders... FUT: lugnet.off-topic.debate (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Harsh reality? What is your reality?...because I can assure you it is nothing like my reality. (...) Wouldn't it make more sense to advocate better education and push for programs that create a better way of life in third world countries than (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Big, heavy, expensive vehicle - not cheap to repair. Bad brakes, poor emergency handling, prone to heavily damaging other vehicles in accidents it caused. Not that the proper level of fees can't be handled in other ways. (...) This either (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sowell is a syndicated Uncle Tom...uh...columnist that frequently appears in the Orange County Register. Let's just say he doesn't let facts get in the way of his opinions. People who hold other opinions from him aren't just wrong, they are (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. Libertarians would sell usage to the highest bidder. (...) Perhaps we should all be a little unnatural? If you came from a different culture you may well think the opposite was true? I understand that some culture have little understanding (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is where the issue of fragmentation comes into effect. For those not in the know, fragmentation is the disruption of large extensive habitat patches into smaller, isolated, less hospitable patches. The 80% number in your example, would (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Tom Stangl, VFAQman wrote: Tom, what kind of science fiction universe do you live in? ;) (...) How many samples would you need from each species? What is a species, for that matter? Would you need samples through time or would just a single period (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolutely. Coops are wonderful for lots of things. But then there isn't really a common, since the resource that might have otherwise been common is now owned by the coop. So you're basically solving the ToC issue the same way that the (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm thinking that's an insult. All I did was express a reasonable idea. :-) (...) I think Shiri suggested that she'd like to see PT subsidized ahead of cars. That is _so_ the wrong way to handle this. We just need to unsubsidize cars: (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Great! I'd prefer to see it done through private works, but if our government wanted to be involved, surely we could offer Mexico stuff in exchange for the land that they would value more. (...) Are there any left? I'm fine with that too, but (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :-) (...) But to what extent? I don't happen to agree with you, but I understand it. But to what extent? If a cow or a person, but only one, will survive then you pick the person. Fine. What if the person wants to wipe out a species so that (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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