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Re: what do you think of editorals regarding the environment?
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Wed, 30 May 2001 19:52:38 GMT
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Timothy Culberson wrote:
> "Tom Stangl, VFAQman" wrote:
> >
> > WARNING - harsh reality follows, don't read it if you are soft at heart or
> > can't deal with a little adversity....
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> Harsh reality? What is your reality?...because I can assure you it is
> nothing like my reality.
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> > Granted, if you are in a thirdworld country where you may actually need more
> > kids to simply support the family through growing crops (or jobs, whatever),
> > you MIGHT have more of an excuse. But not much. We are burying our planet in
> > people, and it's simply not necessary.
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> Wouldn't it make more sense to advocate better education and push for
> programs that create a better way of life in third world countries than
> advocate that persons in these countries have more kids to go work in
> sweat shops to support the family? I really don't understand what
> you're trying to say here.
I agree with your "solution". Reducing population via education is the BEST
solution (not the draconian "solution" practiced in China for a while where many
female babies were left to die because males were "more desirable").
> > I think the best thing that could happen to Earth right now is a plague that
> > kills half the population off over a period of a year or so (the survivors
> > would need time to burn/bury all the bodies for sanitary reasons)
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> Great! We'll start with you! Have you no regard for the value of human
> life!? The best thing in the word that could happen? I started out
> thinking that the dude who wrote the article was a little quack (on most
> of his points)...but you're just plain scaring me.
The only other way to REDUCE the population at this point is massive sterilization,
and that's certainly not going to happen voluntarily (and before you jump to
conclusions, I certainly WOULD NOT support INvoluntary sterilizations). Education
is the key, but that will take a LONG time, and in that time, I'm sure world
population will easily break 10 billion.
I'm all for some physicist figuring out a way to fold space so we can easily and
quickly emigrate to other planets, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening
any time soon, and using the technology we have now certainly won't work.
> > Then we can pull out all the genetic stores and bring back the species we've
> > wiped out from overrunning the planet.
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> What was that about harsh reality?
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> > And that plague can start in India and China, since they're irresponsible
> > enough as to have over ONE THIRD of the world population right now.
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> As Mr. Weeks mentioned in an earlier post - you are displaying typical
> good-ol american redneck ego. (Well he didn't say that).....but he did
> say, and was right, that North America is the biggest user of world
> resources per capita than other places.
Agreed (I never said the USA wasn't) as per capita. We need to reduce our
consumption in the industrialized countries BIGTIME, but that also will take a long
time (and don't even THINK about telling me to stop buying Lego to reduce ABS
consumption ;-)
Bottom line, we're heading for a planet wide catastrophe, and SOON, and we need to
do something about it. So here comes the actual debate part...
What CAN we do about it? NOW, not in the next couple of centuries? Is education
"the answer"? I don't think so. It is ONE of the answers, but it's going to affect
slow changes, and I don't know if the planet has that much time. What else can we
do?
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