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Re: Rolling Blackouts
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 30 May 2001 13:08:28 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > The standard Libertarian answer applies well to the standard example...
> > sheep overgrazing a commons can be remediated by having someone (or a group
> > of someones) own the formerly common area and controlling how many sheep
> > graze there.
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> Alternatively the users of the common could determine what the maximum usage
> level is. Rather that competing against each other, they could invest in
> sheep together, via some sort of co-op, and take advantage of the common
> that way. However, I expect this would only work well is the co-op owned
> the common.
Absolutely. Coops are wonderful for lots of things. But then there isn't
really a common, since the resource that might have otherwise been common is
now owned by the coop. So you're basically solving the ToC issue the same way
that the libertarians would.
> It is greed which causes overuse - not common ownership.
Yes, but it seems to be a natural function of people interacting with common
resources. Branding it as "greed" and making it seem icky doesn't actually
solve anything. Since we know that greed is there, and we know that common
resources are abused, let's find a way of productively working within those
bounds.
> > And that's where there's a clear economic value! What is the economic value
> > of biodiversity? Who "owns" the fact that there are a lot of undiscovered
> > species still in the amazon? There IS value to that but how do you measure,
> > assign, track, hold title, etc? Seems silly to even contemplate it.
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> Indeed it does.
Actually, I'm not convinced. It's just a technological problem that the
economic engineers can solve. If we auction stuff off to the world, then
doesn't that determine economic value of these things? People can coalesce any
way they want to bid on any thing they want. If more dollars want to freeze
rainforest exploitation, then that's what happens. Where does this go wrong?
Chris
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| (...) No. Libertarians would sell usage to the highest bidder. (...) Perhaps we should all be a little unnatural? If you came from a different culture you may well think the opposite was true? I understand that some culture have little understanding (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Alternatively the users of the common could determine what the maximum usage level is. Rather that competing against each other, they could invest in sheep together, via some sort of co-op, and take advantage of the common that way. However, I (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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