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Re: Rolling Blackouts
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sat, 2 Jun 2001 15:17:41 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> I understand your point. But does the average beef eating man not benift
> from the cheap grazing in the longer term?
We don't know. The true cost of subsidized beef is unknown. The true cost of
eating more meat and less vegetables (health costs, economic benefits of
people living longer) is unknown. The true cost of overgrazing is unknown.
There are too many non market factors to say. That's what this thread is
trying to get at.
> Does the US not impose tax on the
> owners of the cattle?
True but not necessarily relevant.
> Does your country not gain from sourcing beef from
> inside the USA rather than from south america?
Not necessarily. The true cost of using the land for other things is
unknown. The true cost of destroying ecosystems with slash and burn one
cycle agriculture to raise beef where a previously diverse rainforest stood
is unknown, although likely to be high. The true cost of not having proper
property ownership systems in place in Brazil so that the poor are
encouraged to squat in the jungle and do clearcutting instead of owning
their own land somewhere else and being proper stewards of it is unknown,
but likely to be high.
> Is it not better that US food
> is produced in the US?
Why? Produce food where it is cheapest (when ALL the true costs are taken
into account) to produce and ship.
> > The entire system needs restructuring, not the rules around who can apply
> > for permits and how much they cost.
> I can not agree that the entire means of production should be brought in to
> public ownership. :)
Me either. Talk about creating a single global tragedy of the commons! Glad
we have that point of agreement. Fortunately it's an irrelevant proposal, I
don't think anyone in this thread is seriously proposing that communism
actually works.
++Lar
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| I found a few cool pieces of information that seemed relevant to grazing, beef cattle, etc. These facts also point out the environmental benefits of being vegetarian: - About 85% of topsoil erosion is directly attributable to raising animals for (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) The cheap grazing leads to higher profits. These profits are then taxed. (...) My question betrays our cultural differences. There are may in my country (not myself) who feel that we should remain self sufficient in food encase we come under (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I understand your point. But does the average beef eating man not benift from the cheap grazing in the longer term? Does the US not impose tax on the owners of the cattle? Does your country not gain from sourcing beef from inside the USA (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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