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Re: Rolling Blackouts
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:04:27 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > I would tend to say the latter. Rational people will tend to operate within
> > the rules of the system to maximise their personal (or corporate) benefit.
> > That does not make them bad, per se. If the system leads to bad outcomes,
> > it's the rules of the game that are bad, not the players.
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> I think you have just highlighted one of the biggest problems with modern
> society. By that, I mean the increasingly common belief that just because an
> action is within the written law it must be ~OK~.
I agree with that. I am bound by my own inner morals, not the letter of the
law, and feel some things that are legal are wrong, and some things that are
illeage are not wrong.
> I think this is quite
> wrong. Loopholes do not exist to be exploited, they exist to be closed (i.e.
> If the rules lead to bad outcomes – the players should change the rules –
> not exploit them).
But that begs the question of how much change is needed. Tinkering at the
edges, closing loopholes, or restructuring the entire system? In the
particular case of grazing, no amount of loophole closing is going to fix
the fact that powerful interests will continue to lobby for rules changes
that favor their exploiting publicly held grazing lands rather than paying
true costs.
Your reference a while back to David Friedman was valuable in this regard as
he addresses the reason for lobbying problem... my desire (as one of 250M
"owners" of the US public lands) for non grazing is weak and diffuse while
the desire of ranchers to graze is sharp and powerful. Hence they can
outlobby me and keep grazing rates far below market.
The entire system needs restructuring, not the rules around who can apply
for permits and how much they cost.
++Lar
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| (...) I understand your point. But does the average beef eating man not benift from the cheap grazing in the longer term? Does the US not impose tax on the owners of the cattle? Does your country not gain from sourcing beef from inside the USA (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I think you have just highlighted one of the biggest problems with modern society. By that, I mean the increasingly common belief that just because an action is within the written law it must be ~OK~. I think this is quite wrong. Loopholes do (...) (23 years ago, 1-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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