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Re: Rolling Blackouts
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Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:15:03 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
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> > > > Does the US not impose tax on the
> > > > owners of the cattle?
> > >
> > > True but not necessarily relevant.
> >
> > The cheap grazing leads to higher profits. These profits are then taxed.
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> And the taxes, which do not capture the true market cost of overgrazing, are
> then spent on whatever programs the government feels like, rather than on
> alleviating the problem.
Perhaps other problems are bigger? Son of Star Wars perhaps?
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> Surely you're not seriously arguing that this is efficient, or better than
> making the direct consumer bear the true cost, are you?
I do not know enough about the situation to say that.
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> > >
> > > > Does your country not gain from sourcing beef from
> > > > inside the USA rather than from south america?
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> > My question betrays our cultural differences. There are may in my country
> > (not myself) who feel that we should remain self sufficient in food encase
> > we come under siege again.
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> Agreed. But the world has changed, wars are fought a lot faster these days
> and the likelyhood of a successful siege of England
Britain
> (much less the US) is
> far lower... Further my disdain for self sufficiency at the expense of
> global efficiency is higher than the average level among americans.
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> > > > I can not agree that the entire means of production should be brought in to
> > > > public ownership. :)
> > >
> > > Me either. Talk about creating a single global tragedy of the commons! Glad
> > > we have that point of agreement. Fortunately it's an irrelevant proposal, I
> > > don't think anyone in this thread is seriously proposing that communism
> > > actually works.
> >
> > Has capitalism allowed it to work?
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> Please explain how capitalism allowed or prevented the grand experiment in
> communism (and horror) that we fondly remember the Soviet Union to be.
I do not think anyone promotes what happened in the USSR as true
"communism". To see how little the "west" likes communism, one only has to
look at how communists were treated in your country, and how the US meddled
with post was politcs in Italy.
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> > I expect that, as an experimet, it would
> > have a better chance of working than libertarianism has.
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> What leads you to that conclusion?
Socialism tends to require that individuals work together for the common
good - sharing good and bad. Libertarianism tends to be a bunch of middle
aged men working on being selfish. ;)
Scott A
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