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Re: Rolling Blackouts
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 4 Jun 2001 02:39:19 GMT
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Shiri Dori wrote:
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher Tracey writes:
> > Chris, you never cease to amaze me. :)
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> Chris's in general never cease to amaze me... <grin>... and you two both
> just did.
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> > IMO, The automobile is arguably the greatest threat to environmental and
> > social quality, and is probably one of the most subsidized sectors of
> > the world's economy.
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> Arguably? *Arguably*?! I mean, show me anything else with greater threat.
I don't know... nuclear weapons, rogue asteriods, monsanto corporation,
Planet Lunch(tm), the juniorasation of LEGO. ;)
> > I was able to explain and demostrate this point to
> > some of my students this past term and I had several people tell me that
> > they never thought about it that way before. It gave me a glimmer of
> > hope.
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> <nod> I wish the government(s... all over the world) would invest in cheaper
> public transportation and promote it. When it is cheaper for a family of 4
> to take a train from, say, Boston to Cape Cod, that's when we'll see actual
> results.... dropping accident rates, dropping energy waste, dropping
> pollution rates, decrease in man-time spent in traffic jams, decrease in
> expenditure on *better* highways, *bigger* interstates, *faster* cars...
you forgot the *more* :) I take the train pretty often. I wish it was
cheaper and faster as well. A few years back... I was going back and
forth between pittsburgh and DC(actually VA) pretty often. I started
taking the bus (~$60 round trip- 5 hours each way) for a few trips, but
switched to the rails (~$90 round trip- 6 hours each way) because they
were more comfortable (and not to mention cooler :). I think the trains
biggest problem is the time factor. For example- Toledo, OH to Little
Rock, AR is 20 hours vs 14 hours via car. Whenever I go to AR, I try to
take the train, but it's a pain to take what seems like an extra day.
And the train is pretty much my only option since I have a fear of
flying.
> (need I even *mention* the Big Dig (in Boston), which has cost taxpayers a
> few *billions* so far and it's not even done? That's one of the biggest
> debates around here.)
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> > What I would like to see is the price of car insurance included
> > in the price of gas. Then it would be fairer to the person who drives a
> > 100 miles a month and to the person who spends 30 times that on the
> > road. That would probably require some sort of universal id card
> > though.
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> Wow, *cool* idea! That's really smart. But actually, the person who would
> actually spend 30 times more time would (on average) also be that much more
> experienced, dontcha think? Or... maybe not.
I hope so...
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| (...) Chris's in general never cease to amaze me... <grin>... and you two both just did. (...) Arguably? *Arguably*?! I mean, show me anything else with greater threat. (...) <nod> I wish the government(s... all over the world) would invest in (...) (23 years ago, 30-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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