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Re: Mailing list gateways
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lugnet.admin.general
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Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:14:28 GMT
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Todd Lehman wrote
> "Linc Smith" writes:
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> > We don't have banner adds, but I wouldn't categorize LCAD as semi-hidden. • :)
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> I meant relatively hidden with respect to the ng, once you know about the
> ng's. For example, I just took a browse through the ng looking for URLs • and
> found Jacob's and Laurentino's and Steve's page, among others... Even
> knowing that the LDraw nexus page was linked-to somewhere within one of
> these pages, it took me several hops to find it. I think I found it
> simultaneously in two windows by going from Steve's homepage to his LDAO
> page and then to the JJ-Memorial, and by going from Jacob's homepage to his
> LEGO page and then back up to his JJ page and then into the "Resources for
> LDraw" page. I just about gave up after looking for L-CAD after clicking
> about a dozen links & sub-links here:
You forgot about turning on your computer and moving the mouse in that list
of steps. IMO this is a Straw Man argument. If you have used LDraw or
LEdit, you have read the FAQ and it is in the FAQ. It is true that if you
go looking for it a few months after starting to use LDraw it might be more
difficult to find. Kinda weird that when you aren't looking for it, it is
easier to find then when you are looking for it :). I did the same thing as
you yesterday, and I found (like you) that it wasn't a very direct route to
the subscription information.
> Anyway, I kind of always got the feeling that the mailing list was designed
> to be somewhat difficult to find -- not impossible, but maybe like a prize
> for those who truly want to find it. (Not sure why.)
I don't think it was (not sure though). I think that the subscription
information was just put out there without much consideration for how easy
it was to get at.
> When I think the advantages of a newsgroup over a mailing-list (or of the
> advantages that a ng<->ml gateway brings), I think of things like:
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> - Real threading
marginal in _this_ lists case (for me)
> - Crossposting with followups
the specific nature of the LCAD list should not need that much (if any)
cross-posting
> - Archiving, searching, and back-browsing
This would be a limited advantage, but most of the discussions on the list
are time sensitive.
> Improving circulation is probably not a big issue in this case...although I
> wonder how many people find it difficult to keep up by e-mail (that is, not
> being able to make the choice between e-mail, news, and web) and how many
> people find it frustrating when the listserver chokes.
I too am interested whether others find looking at email as well as news
groups frustrating. Although I don't find it frustrating, and I did not even
known that the Listserver chokes (until Steve mentioned it), I am only one
vote... there must be others who want to gateway the list to Lugnet.
People...comments?
LINC
Perhaps my reasons for believing that there is no need are flawed. It just
seems that there is no clear advantage.
It is a lot easier to burn a barn that to build one. Perhaps I am just
"burning" points that you bring up... I don't know, and I think I will stop
talking on this. No one is supporting the same thoughts I have, so I don't
want to hold up what others want.
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| (...) Depends on whether there's a parts-vote going on. In the last several days, it would be handy to see things in a thready manner. (...) Again, I went data-diving just last night (I had to dig up the BAT I posted for creating MPD files). (...) (...) (26 years ago, 20-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) I don't think your reasons for believing that there is no need are flawed, After all, from your point of view, as you described, a news gateway wouldn't help you. But if I'm understanding your conclusions, then the flaw, I think, is in (...) (26 years ago, 21-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) For sure! L-CAD is the only place to decide the issue... But thinking through the advantages/gains and disadvantages/risks ahead of time (like we're doing here) prior to bringing it up on L-CAD seems like a good idea to me. It's always good to (...) (26 years ago, 21-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| Todd Lehman wrote in message <36a6c04d.53070399@l...et.com>... (...) do (...) I conclude that a lack of an obvious need for something _is_ a reason not to do that something. If I have 10 bucks and someone says "place a bet with me... if you win I (...) (26 years ago, 21-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| Todd Lehman wrote in message (...) exist. OK, I see what you mean. (...) obvious (...) easier (...) 1950? (...) I don't dispute that this happens, but if this you subscribe to this argument then you should agree that it can just as easily go the (...) (26 years ago, 22-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| om> Distribution: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Todd listed two improvements we could get by moving L-CAD to Lugnet: (...) I look forward to get them. (...) Me too. (...) Yes. Will you put a suggestion together? Here's a start: We suggest that (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| com> <F5xCnx.H9L@lugnet.com> Distribution: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] (...) I would not just _gateway_ the list. I would _move_ it. At the same time we could split it in two; one for development questions and one for user questions. (...) (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) I meant relatively hidden with respect to the ng, once you know about the ng's. For example, I just took a browse through the ng looking for URLs and found Jacob's and Laurentino's and Steve's page, among others... Even knowing that the LDraw (...) (26 years ago, 20-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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