To LUGNET HomepageTo LUGNET News HomepageTo LUGNET Guide Homepage
 Help on Searching
 
Post new message to lugnet.off-topic.debateOpen lugnet.off-topic.debate in your NNTP NewsreaderTo LUGNET News Traffic PageSign In (Members)
 Off-Topic / Debate / 6532
6531  |  6533
Subject: 
Distribution List Detonation
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.general, lugnet.market.auction, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.off-topic.debate
Followup-To: 
lugnet.market.theory
Date: 
Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:56:58 GMT
Viewed: 
35 times
  
This thread certainly has exploded over the last few days and I have made an
effort to read every post.  Some have deeply infuriated me [1]; some provided
for valuable new understanding; and overall it has been a valuable discussion.

I've resisted replying to some comments that, as you can imagine, have caused
my blood pressure to rise a notch or two.  And I think it's now time for me to
summarize how I feel.

My actions have offended Jeremy and for this I apologize sincerely.  As Jeremy
stated, two years ago I sent a message to many RTL participants in order to
promote my auction.  In my naivete I thought that this action was not only
benefiting myself but also the greater community as a whole.  Over time I have
come to the realization that this method of "cold-call" solicitation is
completely out of line and has no place in our community.  I made a mistake
that I will not repeat.

A commercial message to old customers is IMHO very different from the above
situation, but I now realize that some members of our community classify it
the same as plain (c)old Spam.  I see the similarities and I see the
differences.  Enough good comments have already been made on lots of
interpretations of this issue.

I still stand firm by my opinion that sellers have the right to contact their
customers in order to announce upcoming sales.  I would hope that we respect
our differences of opinion in a civilized way [2].  However, as many of you
have pointed out, I now understand that the preferred and least intrusive
practice is to ask people explicitly before adding them to any type of list.
And so, as of today, my sale/auction/brick exchange distribution list is
cleared of all names.

Of course this puts me and others who have maintained these lists in a little
bit of a quandary.  Do we throw them away and start from scratch?  Is it
acceptable to send a mass message asking whether people want to opt-in?  Or
would a personalized note be preferred?  At the risk of opening Pandora's box,
I'd like to hear your suggestions.

Finally, I'd like to ask that we continue to show courtesy and a helpful
attitude towards one another.  As quickly as the online AFOL community is
growing, we are bound to run into times when individuals act in ways that are
displeasing to some of our members.  Let's educate and find solutions instead
of complaining and pointing fingers.

Be well,

Andreas Stabno
http://www.megsinet.net/~stabno/SimiLego.htm


[1] It is disturbing to read the personal attacks that we have posted in
this "friendliest place on the Internet"
[2] After all there should be plenty of room for all of us in this fantastic
community



Message has 3 Replies:
  Re: Distribution List Detonation
 
(...) I vote for it being acceptable to send a one-time note to those on your list (minus those individuals who have already made it clear via Lugnet they don't wish to receive your notices) asking for a response from those who wish to opt-in. (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
  Re: Distribution List Detonation
 
(...) Wow. A clear move to show that you want to do business in a way that conforms to netiquette, even though you personally disagree. That is definitely a respectable position, and I applaud you for it. (...) My suggestion may surprise you: If I (...) (24 years ago, 28-Sep-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
  Re: Distribution List Detonation
 
(...) Well, it isn't fine craftsmanship or anything, but as a result of this thread, I sent the note below this text to my listees and deleted my mailing list. I am now rebuilding it as an opt-in only list. In the 18 hours since I sent my note, I've (...) (24 years ago, 29-Sep-00, to lugnet.market.theory)

Message is in Reply To:
  Beware more SPAM from Andreas Stabno (Was: KC Masterpieces)
 
Hey all, I just got spammed by Andreas Stabno; he's hawking a sale of his. The subject line is "KC Masterpieces". His message goes, "somehow when I wasn't looking the closet filled up with LEGO sets and it's time to sell all 138 sets that remain." (...) (24 years ago, 25-Sep-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.auction)

86 Messages in This Thread:





































Entire Thread on One Page:
Nested:  All | Brief | Compact | Dots
Linear:  All | Brief | Compact

This Message and its Replies on One Page:
Nested:  All | Brief | Compact | Dots
Linear:  All | Brief | Compact
    

Custom Search

©2005 LUGNET. All rights reserved. - hosted by steinbruch.info GbR