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  Re: An idea set ...
 
(...) OK, here's my take on this.... Remember those architectural wooden blocks that sometimes serve this purpose, well use LEGO instead of blocks. Here's what I would use (sort of a Greek/Roman Temple effect) All white bricks...... (36) 2x2 round (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
 
  Re: What is Scott saying now? Was: (Re: Wench as a word)
 
(...) Rudy, (...) Nothing amusing about Waco, or bombing a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan on the day of impeachment, or vowing to save the Kosovars or any of the rest of it. And not much amusing about destroying our health care delivery system (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: What is Scott saying now? Was: (Re: Wench as a word)
 
Ed, Well, I did happen to read the articles, BTW. (...) I did read them, thank you, and I still say, if Rudy did something wrong, have it investigated. Which I have said before about Trafficant, etc. (...) Well, your statements like "Rudy's reign of (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: HUGE NEWS FOR THE WRESTLING WORLD
 
(...) I've got to agree with you. WheelChairWrestling is for old fogies; but they have two things going for them: 1. There's another place for a wrestler to get a start before he jumps to WWF. 2. If gives me something to do for an hour before Raw (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: What is Scott saying now? Was: (Re: Wench as a word)
 
(...) Larry, Forget the amusing diatribe, I'm much more interested in your opinion of Rudy G. Did you read any of the linked articles? (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: What is Scott saying now? Was: (Re: Wench as a word)
 
(...) at (...) did (...) defame (...) From the comments above, you clearly could not have bothered reading the news articles involving the incident and Rudy's defamation of the victim. Faulty logic on my part? Your first statement is a prime example (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: What is Scott saying now? Was: (Re: Wench as a word)
 
(...) Which one's which again? I get confused so easily. Police Brutality? Remember Waco. 'nuff said. Murder Coverup? What ever did happen to Vince Foster, anyway? HRC was so busy getting her hands on FBI files that we never did get a good (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Ad hominem attacks
 
(...) Liberal, conservative, democrat, republican: They are all politicians. Can't trust one of 'em! :-) I'd credit Kennnedy for the cold war victory, by the way, not Ronny. The extremely short form: Kennedy makes Kruschev look bad over cuban missle (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: What is Scott saying now? Was: (Re: Wench as a word)
 
Ed, (...) Boy, was Rudy the one who fired the gun? Because you are linking him directly with police officers, so the police officers are not responsible? I guess you liked New York a lot better when it was a scumpit, filled with crime and sleaze. I (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: What is Scott saying now? Was: (Re: Wench as a word)
 
(...) First, I'm not a Hillary fan. But given the choice between Hillary and Rudy, I'm going for Hillary. Because of the two evils, I'll take the one who is playing money games over the one who plays police brutality/murder cover-up games. If you (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) Trying to be seen as a leftist, may be, but I'm not sure about the possibility of being a "leftist" and "1st lady of USA" at the same time. Anyway, it was not the point. Your attitude about this subject (continuously ranting about "leftists" (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) part (...) I can't recall a single liberal in my acquaintance that thinks this way. Yes, you will run into this line of reasoning in some black studies courses, but I don't think you will find too many people who buy into it. Bruce (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: An idea set ...
 
(...) Interesting question. But it's off topic for off-topic.. :-) ++Lar (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
 
  An idea set ...
 
If you were to make up a set of exactly 100 lego bricks/pieces, what would the set consist of, and what kind of container would you use or design for it? The container is not one of the 100 pieces. For the sake of clarification, lets assume that the (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
Larry, (...) I am. Just got a little steamed under the collar. (...) According to liberal thinking, yes! (...) diversity. I guess I better get reprogrammed into compliance with liberal / diversity thinking. Scott S. (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Ad hominem attacks
 
(...) I like that coinage. <snipped what I agree with> (...) If there were a substantive difference in kind between the GOP and the Dems I'd say maybe. But there isn't, and I fear Dubya has cronies of his own. Perhaps they won't be as venal as the (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Ad hominem attacks
 
(...) It seems that McCarthyism (spelling?) has returned to America. Or, perhaps, we could coin a more modern phrase: Agendaism. Our society, by in large, has abandoned a belief in principles of objective truth that have a moral imperative upon our (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) Note that I think Scott is speaking in the abstract here, he's not accusing Sel of being leftist per se. (...) NO WAY! You can only be a racist if you're a male WASP. Everyone else is part of the oppressed, and therefore, by definition, can't (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
Selçuk, (...) Well, sir, when you exhibit classical signs of leftism, I will cal you a leftist. IF you don't like Gulliani, fine, but calling him a Nazi is typical liberal / Democratic rhetoric. If a call Al Sharpton a racist, then I am at fault, (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) Yet it is easy to demonstrate that liberals are leftist and marxist, while the label of nazi is not at all applicable to Giulliani. Applying the label correctly is not hyperboly. Applying a label incorrectly, when it doesn't remotely ressemble (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) I agree on this. It's just as strange as calling anyone you don't like as "leftist" or "marksist" or whatever...:-) Selçuk (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  What is Scott saying now? Was: (Re: Wench as a word)
 
Larry, I think it all started when, in the context of defining a wench, I called Hillary a Marxist wench, and Ed, obviously a Hillary fan, got disjointed and started laying out all this other stuff. I just just Traficant as an example of me liking (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: HUGE NEWS FOR THE WRESTLING WORLD
 
(...) Wcw is a retirement home for old wrestles-argue back and were're back on topic 8-)(man i'm not myself) ravi (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: HUGE NEWS FOR THE WRESTLING WORLD
 
(...) How many is that? :-) ... one? Counting yourself of course. (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) c /Guillani/Giuliani/ ?? I'm not sure. I'd expect a New Yorker to know how to spell it, though so if you say it's actually the way you spelled it, sorry! Er, who are we talking about here... HRC, RG, Howard Stern, or all of the above? :-) I'd (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) According to the strict definition of the word, Nazi is very appropriate for the Clintons and liberals of their bent. It involves a totalitarian control of industry and the economy, and is similar to Fascism - both of which (Nazi and Fascist) (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Ad hominem attacks
 
I ran across this nosing around. I found it interesting. (URL) ask, is it appropriate for cigarette taxes to fund groups engaged in political diatribe, character assassination and compiling "enemies lists"? (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) OK. That's the first I heard about the 1984 part, but I wasn't reading that closely, I had a project plan to tweak. But what are we debating here, anyway? The subject doesn't seem to match the words. Traficant is a garden variety pol. Scott (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  HUGE NEWS FOR THE WRESTLING WORLD
 
Waaaayyyy off Lego, but I just found this out so I had to let all the good Lugnet wrestling fans know this. ERIC BISCHOFF IS IN CHARGE OF WCW! No BS, this is absolutely true. Bill Busch sucked, and hopefully Bischoff can bring the WCW back around. (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
Ed, (...) So, he gets acquitted in a criminal case, and somehow, in civil court, he owes 100,000 to the US tax court for taking bribes? That is what is fishy, Ed. Maybe your reading on it seems a little strange, hence, fishy. Why isn't the IRS after (...) (25 years ago, 23-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) No, Guillani serves only himself and his ego, not his voting constituent. (...) one (...) And you didn't burn your LP card!!! :') (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) Yes, your reading is fishy. From the article: "Although Traficant was acquitted in criminal court, he was less successful in civil court. His latest financial disclosure form indicates that he still owes more than $100,000 to the Internal (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) to (...) aquittal, (...) Considering that the Civil Court decision was in 1984, and that there is no appeal on file, and the statute of limitations has run out. Owning back taxes and then not paying the back taxes owed is not paying taxes. (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) It's not real here either. It's not real anywhere. However some newsgroup denizens do tend to view using hitler in an argument as a sign of weak rhetoric. That's been extended, in characteristic internet style, to be the joke of as soon as you (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) agree, although who can say for sure what the facts are...) "Although Traficant was acquitted in criminal court, he was less successful in civil court. His latest financial disclosure form indicates that he still owes more than $100,000 to the (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
Larry, (...) Really? I remember I got flagged by it once, by you Larry, so is it real here as well? (...) Indeed. (...) The LP party was the one who nominated Stern? Wow. That is interesting. I remember he was running for something, but I don't (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) It's not a real rule. Just a running joke. See: (URL) a "low bandwidth suitable" version of the jargon file) or (URL) original... same content, different presentation) If you want to call Guliani a Nazi that's fine by me. But I think NY would (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
Ed, (...) from "TRAFICANT TOOK DONATION FROM WIFE OF INDICTED MOB FIGURE", or Gorgano Landscaping Company. Whether or not this company is dealing with the mob or not, it is still a legal contribution, unless I am reading something wrong here. As for (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
Ed "Boxer" Jones <edboxer@aol.com> wrote in message news:Fru7GM.1s7@lugnet.com... (...) frequently (...) hate (...) comments? (...) ages. (...) In (...) "wench" to (...) mayor (...) last (...) Would you care to back up your "skyrocketed" claim with (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes: Proof would be (...) (URL) with these (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) Good idea. And remember to take those mental pills. One is prone to talk to oneself if one forgets one's medication. -Shiri FUT o-t.fun (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
 
  Re: Wow, "goes in waves" is right!!!
 
Frank, Ugh, let's not debate at all, outside of a few rants and raves. Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page -> (URL) Page -> (URL) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wow, "goes in waves" is right!!!
 
(...) Gee, can we go back to the religion debate? That seemed much more of a valuable debate than the current ones... (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) Right. A new rule for myself: If I feel compelled to drink a Diet Coke, a Fresca, and 7 cups of coffee at work, I should not/cannot/will not allow myself to post messages until I have de-toxed. (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) Make up your mind and get back to us, why don'tcha? :-) -Shiri (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) Ok. My bad. Last time. Change that back to "wouldn't." (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) err..typo: make that "would." (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) I'd say that calling anyone a nazi is pretty strong language that should be used with care and restraint. By calling someone a nazi, you are accusing them of possessing the same moral character as a group that practiced the worst systematic (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
Ed, (...) Well, Ed, since i don't know the particulars on this one, why don't you inform us of it? I do remember something along the lines of congress people now being under the same laws oas we, the citizens, are. If he did not pay his taxes, he (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) Some find me very interesting, thank you. (...) man (...) him (...) and (...) How do you iron a sure? :') Qualifications: One would definitely be that you have to pay your taxes. (...) James happens to be one of the few Democrats that (...) Of (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
Ed, Boy, Ed, you sure an interesting person. (...) Boy, Ed, the ability to iron a sure sure qualifies someone to have a House seat, huh? I would love to see what your thoughts on qualifications are. James happens to be one of the few Democrats that (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes: [snip] And no, not all Democrats are Marxists, (How many (...) Well there's a fine figure to admire. James Trafficant, the man that took money from a "Supposed" mob-figure and then the mob (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) hehe. Debate's over so I don't have to point out that you don't have to be a Marxist to be a bad person... Hillary isn't a Marxist, but she's a bad person nonetheless. ++Lar (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
Ed, (...) Hey, she spins those letters very well! ;) (...) Well, read some books about her, look at her life, she what she believes in, read her book, it takes a government, ah, village, etc. She is a very devout leftist. And no, not all Democrats (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Wench as a word
 
(...) always (...) to (...) [snip] (...) Re: Wench - the term was used to describe a serving woman in the middle ages. Not politically incorrect at that time. Now, it is a derogatory comment. In fact, it is a very useful derogatory comment. Vanna (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: *Native* (was "Re: Future Wild West Possibilities")
 
(...) the (...) less (...) Why (...) but (...) to be (...) doesn't (...) your (...) because (...) development (...) inclusion in (...) required (...) someone (...) consider (...) unless (...) lump (...) the (...) and his (...) like (...) Ok what we (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: *Native* (was "Re: Future Wild West Possibilities")
 
Hi, (...) **Note the small "n"--more on that later. (...) Yeah, but even American Indian is a name not given by the people themselves. Why not simply call Ojibwe Ojibwe, Oneida Oneida, and Cherokee Cherokee? Sure, it blows all of our (note that (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: *Native* (was "Re: Future Wild West Possibilities")
 
(...) Ditto-i feel that columbus' error that america was india should not be pripagated.I'm indian (as in originally from the indian subcontinent) Give the early inhabitants of the americas (Hmmm EIOAs) some credit and their own less confusing (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: LEGOLAND.CC Auction WAS: (Re: The Nugator Company for Sale ???)
 
Scott E. Sanburn wrote in message <38D83277.B6E578E0@c...eb.net>... (...) it and (...) that (...) judge (...) Without a doubt, that is the seller's obvious intent. What can TLC legally do about intent?? I do not know, but my guess in this situation (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  LEGOLAND.CC Auction WAS: (Re: The Nugator Company for Sale ???)
 
Kevin, (...) infringement, because the sellers intent was to use the LEGO brand name to motivate someone to buy it. "Make Millions off of LEGO," and all that. Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The Nugator Company for Sale ???
 
(...) in (...) well written. (...) Hey, excellent pointer. Wow--all that legal stuff. I just read 99% of it and I have to agree with the decision. One statement made by the court judge that I particularly agree with is this: "If another Internet (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The Nugator Company for Sale ???
 
(...) Some of what you say is true but I'd advocate that you, or others interested in this topic, dig a little... in .publish I believe it was someone posted an absolutely excellent pointer to a trademark case involving Clue Consulting and Hasbro. (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: *Native* (was "Re: Future Wild West Possibilities")
 
(...) I completely understand. Political correctness gets under my skin, also, especially when taken to the extreme. However, in this case, I think it's necessary. I mean . . . think about it. You're upset because according to the PC definition of (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  *Native* (was "Re: Future Wild West Possibilities")
 
Notice "Follow-Up"... (...) [screech!...] [CRASH!!!] You just hit one of my major pet peeves. *I* am a native American citizen. I am *NOT*, however, of the American Indian ethnicity!!! I was _born_ here in the US of A. _ANYONE_ who was _BORN_ within (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer
 
My only point was that if every web browser did only and exactly what the RFC said, there would be no innovation. Even if MS had 100% of the market, we would still go above and beyond the spec. If they had 100% and they only lived by the spec, a new (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
<snip> (...) Definitely agree here. And if you think I've got an opinion on this, you should hear my wife's comments when she sees someone else's unbelted kids in a moving car. In some ways I'm glad the other car is moving, so she can't completely (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer
 
(...) Umm, huh? I thought you were implying that competition was good because it inspired better growth. Is what you really mean to say "We should be allowed to compete with other browsers, but once we're winning, the other guys should just give in (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer
 
(...) And of course the MS track record at making things faster or less buggy is SO good. Sorry for the sarcasm, I like MS, and I'm a stockholder but I still find your statement laughable. (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <schnip!> (...) If I may expand on what Larry has said here; In some US states, drivers are supposed to ensure that they themselves, and their passengers are belted at all times while the vehicle (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) It is mandatory, on pain of losing federal highway funds (a case of using the purse power to get a state to pass a law instead of passing a federal law. I personally feel it's wrong to do that, but I digress). What is not mandatory is the (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) to (...) Sure--just like biological evolution. Dave! (25 years ago, 20-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer
 
(...) But that's a good thing :) The great thing about IE is that it can be repurposed. Anyone can slap on their own UI (AOL, webTV, NeoPlanet) and decide what features to implement or not to implemnt. If you understand COM and how IE is (...) (25 years ago, 20-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) But would it work if some participants refused to recognize the validity of evolution? Steve (25 years ago, 20-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) And that would mean that 'Socialist' is just a descriptive label, without much specific meaning. Sort of like calling the leader of a country 'President' doesn't mean the country is a Democracy based on inalienable human-rights and personal (...) (25 years ago, 20-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) So if I read this correctly, the wearing of seatbelts is not mandatory in all US states? This is mandatory in all states and territories of Australia (putting on my seatbelt is second nature to me when I get in the car). I can't understand (...) (25 years ago, 19-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Wow, "goes in waves" is right!!!
 
Well, things got quite quiet quickly (1). The oscillations in traffic here make even the stock market price gyrations look tame. Pretty amazing. No commentary needed or expected, I'm just spouting. Did a big factoring run today but I am STILL not (...) (25 years ago, 19-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  The 10 Cs in schools (was Mormon...)
 
I know this is a big snip but I want to make room for my rant... (...) And therein lies the flaw with Democracy. I have done nothing to deserve the penalty of being a subject of the majority rule. If 51% of the people insist that 2+2=5, that doesn't (...) (25 years ago, 19-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Due Process
 
Lindsay, (...) Yes, indeed! I am at AEI right now, working on a funky Auburn Hills public Safety building, it looks like a house, divided up into a police and fire station, on a 120 degree angle! (...) Hmmm... there are many...100 or so, ah here it (...) (25 years ago, 19-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) Technological superiority would not necessarily guarantee victory in a "Red Dawn" type scenario - whether the aggressor were foreign or our own gov't. Afghanistan/Russia demonstrates that (Viet Nam also). If a people have the will to fight (...) (25 years ago, 19-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) There's also that "hostile foreign Powers" thing too, considering that the early United States simply didn't have the money to maintain a large standing army or navy, and wouldn't until the 1850s. Until the 1830s, invasion from Canada was a (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Mormon bashing again
 
(...) And my point is only this, don't read anything else into it: If this one example of historic law had a major influence, where others didn't, I don't think it's wrong. The constitution forbids legislating in favor of or against any religion - (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
Law just changed. A seat belt infraction, if spotted, is enough reason for you to get pulled over in Michigan now. Sorry about that (I think it may have been March 1 that it changed) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) I'll again go back to what was written in the federalist papers. I plowed through them a few months back, so it's a fairly recent memory... I can't deny that there may have been other motives than the final check but that was the biggie, by a (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) Well said. Would that everyone were as reasonable as you. My theory is that in many issues we see convolution being used as a tool to usurp, because proponents on one side or another fear that a straight up and down question might: - resolve (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Mormon bashing again
 
(...) I've not been there, so I can't say what the circumstances are. But if they're posted in a way that implies primacy, rather than as one of many examples of laws, that's wrong. (...) Feel free to do so on your private property, but there's a (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) You should also research your locality's seat belt laws. In some states, the seat BELT is required, but not the shoulder strap. Maybe in yours too? (IMHO, a lot of shoulder straps are dangerous if you are shorter than the average male. Mine (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) Funny this conversation is going on right now. I just got a ticket for my son having his shoulder strap looped around the back of the seat. I just looked up the regs and this law is not enforceable unless I was pulled over for some other (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Due Process
 
Good example! (...) This sounds like a massive usurpation. (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) Today it is, because bad money (gov't charity) has driven out good (private charity). It used to be a pure charity decision, the hospital (if for profit) took a deliberate margin hit, or raised the money by charity drives. (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) Michigan has switched from secondary to primary, you can be stopped for just a seat belt infraction instead of the collateral damage (Has to be a second ticket) that CO uses. (...) Right... and that's one reason I support seat belt use, (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) Indeed. I was thinking of you when I used the aphorism. :-) Please quote me where I said the bible wasn't an interesting piece of literature, worthy of being read by all who would style themselves well read... :-) Where we differ is that I (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) A country can have socialist features and still not be Socialist. It's sort of like "Space" vs. "space"...capital-S has a very specific meaning, while small-s is more malleable. Semantics...with a small s. ;) <dredge...dredge...> best LFB (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Due Process
 
Job talk! (...) I think there's only one A^2. ;) He has his own firm--F. H. Herrmann & Assoc., I think, is still its name. (...) For the subdivision my uncle built, people from the architectural firm had to physically be on-site almost every (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: (Ten Commmandment discussion with School, etc.) Was: Re: Mormon bashing again
 
(...) Agreed. When people refuse or fail to be self-governed, then the government will take over that office. The U.S. government has over-legislated because a great many people have abdicated personal responsibility and duty. People fail to give (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: (Ten Commmandment discussion with School, etc.) Was: Re: Mormon bashing again
 
(...) Thank you! Too many parents are abdicating their responsibility in this respect, and then complaining when the instrument of government doesn't raise their children as they want them raised. (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Schools (Was: Ten Commmandment discussion with School, etc.) Was: Re: Mormon bashing again
 
(...) I can't speak towards the schools themselves, but I know that for the last 10 years or so, we've had groups like the Christian Coalition, Focus on the Family, etc. sponsoring not-so-stealthy "stealth" school board candidates with, shall we (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Due Process
 
(...) Certainly, but that sticker seemed like Judge, Jury, and Excecutioner all in one shot, and its effects lingered long after it was removed. I understand your analogy about the suspected murderer, in that imprisonment removes a potentially (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand Socialism
 
Steve, (...) Well, maybe what Bill is saying that this county wasn't started out socialistic, but it seems to be getting there. Socialism is a black and white definition, however. Any Political Science / Government class will tell you. Scott S. (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) I think I started to lose interest when their programming day consisted of Yo! MTV Raps interspersed with episodes of Club MTV. Not my type of music, if such it may be called... Dave! (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Trying to understand
 
(...) I think you need to recheck things a bit. The US has a number of Socialist features. 'Socialist' isn't a black-and-white, yes-or-no thing. Steve (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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