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Re: *Native* (was "Re: Future Wild West Possibilities")
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:18:19 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
>
> Hi,
>
> ravi wrote:
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> > In lugnet.starwars, Franklin W. Cain writes:
> > > Notice "Follow-Up"...
> > >
> > > In lugnet.western, Jonathan Little writes:
> > > >
> > > > ... The whole cowboys and Indians
> > > > (or Native AMERICANS) ...
> > >
> > > [screech!...]
> > >
> > > [CRASH!!!]
> > >
> > > You just hit one of my major pet peeves.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *I* am a native American citizen.
>
> **Note the small "n"--more on that later.
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> > > I am *NOT*, however, of the American Indian ethnicity!!!
> > >
> > > I was _born_ here in the US of A.
> > >
> > > _ANYONE_ who was _BORN_ within the territorial limits of the country
> > > of their citizenship is a _NATIVE_ of that country!
> > >
> > > As a counter-example:
> > > My mom is a _naturalized_ American;
> > > she was born in _Cuba_,
> > > and later _emigrated_ here.
> > >
> > > In case you couldn't tell, I loathe and despise
> > > political correctness.
> > >
> > > I consider political correctness to be a form of
> > > intellectual dishonesty.
> > >
> > > It was not my intention to cause anger or embarassment,
> > > only to help contribute to the education of the populace
> > > at large.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Franklin
> >
> > Ditto-i feel that columbus' error that america was india should not be
> > pripagated.I'm indian (as in originally from the indian subcontinent) Give • the
> > early inhabitants of the americas (Hmmm EIOAs) some credit and their own • less
> > confusing identities
>
> Yeah, but even American Indian is a name not given by the people themselves. • Why
> not simply call Ojibwe Ojibwe, Oneida Oneida, and Cherokee Cherokee? Sure, it
> blows all of our (note that loaded "our") pat little racial categories away, • but
> at least it's fair. I don't think the Lakota and the Cree would *ever* want • to be
> put in the same category anyways.
>
> I see Franklin's point about native-ness, but the load of the word 'native'
> changes when we start talking with a capital N (at the start of a sentence • doesn't
> count) versus a small N. Were the term 'native Americans,' I could second • your
> point. Other racialized terms for this group are also fraught with
> problems--aboriginal and indigenous are probably the best alternatives, • because
> "early Americans" implies that pernicious Social Darwinist construct, • development
> theory; however, only Native Americans as a term offers any sense of • inclusion in
> the nation. Heck, even the term Americans is suspect, because Canadians,
> Mexicans, and a half billion other people on two continents are Americans too,
> technically (which is one of *my* big pet peeves, the cultural arrogance • required
> to appropriate such a term to oneself). In Spanish, however, you can call • someone
> a "United Statesian" (a translation of course), and people apparently do. At
> least the group we lump together under the banner of Native American Indians
> (that's a 1960s-1970s construct--anyone remember that one? It's where "Native
> Americans" as a favored term originates) actually spans the length of the two
> continents.[1]
>
> In any case, I don't consider "Native American" to be PC any more than I • consider
> "African American" to be PC. Nobody ever claims to be Politically Correct • unless
> being snide or sarcastic--we only use the term in the pejorative sense, and • lump
> it together like it's some sort of coherent movement when it's not. Most of • the
> time, we add terms we wish to discredit for some other reason to the PC
> manifold[2], and eventually people come to believe that it really is Orwellian
> doublespeak. In the case of describing a group of people, how could calling
> someone what they wish to be called, rather than what a broke, lost sailor • and his
> mutinous crew 508 years ago called them, a manifestation of PC's evil?
>
> best
>
> Lindsay
>
> [1]Ack, stop me before I parenthesis again!
>
> [2] This has nothing to do with starship engines, settle down. I don't think
> anything with a PC manifold could make more than 25kph in free-fall. Sort of • like
> a Yugo with wings.
Ok what we need is a politically correct totally harmless catch all phrase-
unfortunatly i am too sleep diprived to think of one 8-).Just had to get that
off me chest.Of course we indians could change our names from the corrupted
arabic form of a river's name we use now-but everyone would be confuced
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