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Lindsay,
Mr L F Braun wrote:
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> Job talk!
Yes, indeed! I am at AEI right now, working on a funky Auburn Hills
public Safety building, it looks like a house, divided up into a police
and fire station, on a 120 degree angle!
> > Mr L F Braun wrote:
> > > I've always wondered if this was something that was implemented in the design phase or after
> > > the fact--it's interesting to hear the reality. My uncle is an architect in A^2
> >
> > Ann Arbor, MI? Which one?
>
> I think there's only one A^2. ;) He has his own firm--F. H. Herrmann & Assoc., I think, is still its name.
Hmmm... there are many...100 or so, ah here it is! Herrmann Frederick H
Associates, Inc. 2001 Commonwealth Suite 204, Ann Arbor. Don't know
where it is, however. < shameless plug >If he ever needs a consulting
engineering firm specializing in Mechanical, Electrical, or Plumbing
systems, be sure to tell him to give a call to AEI! :) </ shameless Plug
> > It depends on the contractor, some are good, some are bad, just like
> > anything else. I know some of the projects here at AEI, we ran into
> > problems with contractors short cutting. The process of building
> > buildings is a tedious one, with tons of paperwork, arguments,
> > redesigns, etc. Most of the time, the contractors do submit a shop
> > drawing or a DCR (Document Clarification Request), but some don't, and
> > the customer is the one who suffers. When you, as an engineering firm,
> > can work with the contractors, and the vendors, you can usually come to
> > getting a really good building. If not, it is not good. We are doing two
> > buildings at the GM Milford Proving Grounds, B#16 and B#24, and 16 is
> > going well, but 24 is a disaster. Two different contractors, one good,
> > and one terrible. And the paperwork, ugh!
>
> For the subdivision my uncle built, people from the architectural firm had to physically be on-site
> almost every day--checking in and raising hell if shortcuts were being taken (the worst infraction?
> Raw materials--especially decorative items--were provided at a given quality, and the contractor was
> apparently replacing it with inferior material and keeping the more valuable delivered items!). It
> sounded absolutely maddening, and this was *with* a contractor selected carefully with this level of
> supervision in mind.
Sounds like a real stinker! I hate those kind!
> Paperwork--to undo the damage, or just in general? And is this paperwork for
> the gov't or for GM's satisfaction? (I could believe either, coming out of a GM family.)
Well, it is for GM's, for the most part, and ours as well (CYA
situation, if you know what I mean!) The government uses it if a lawsuit
comes in, or if some EPA or other regulation is violated. The feds
getting in any suit is a real disaster, based on my conversations with
my boss here.
> > It isn't too big of deal, but I think Marijuana sections would need
> > increased negative zones for added exhaust, simply because of the effect
> > of the exhaled smoke. (I don't know, I never inhaled, or anything else
> > for that matter, just smelled it a couple of times at the beach!) I
>
> > would think architects could design different sections, separated by
> > walls, to minimalize the other sections. Having walls is often easier to
> > design for, in terms of HVAC design, than completely open spaces. Also,
> > the client would have a big part in determining what, if any, substances
> > can be smoked. A smart businessman would make it so that all people
> > could come to the establishment and use it's facilities, and make sure
> > the people who want to be smoke free stay as well. It may cost a few
> > more bucks initially, but the added customer base will overcome it.
>
> Especially if they separated the things that might be "objectionable" to some with walls rather than
> open spaces--it could lead to some interesting designs, maybe sort of like a pie with sections
> radiating out from the central business counter in a self-catered eating establishment?
Something like that, or have separate rooms, with openable and closable
doors, and a hallway wrapped around the center, so no one would be
exposed to any of the sections.
> I do,
> however, wonder what the insurance discount is if an establishment bans smoking of any > kind.
Probably a good one, but would the discount cover the loss of smoking
customers? Business decision!
> > While we are on this subject, I really can't understand why the
> > anti-smoking establishment can't at least have one room in a building
> > with smokers, so they don't have to be out in the elements and snow and
> > the like. It is just an exhaust fan up to the exhaust ductwork, and
> > maybe a closed door. It is very perplexing, because I know how simple
> > the engineering can be for that.
>
> I understand that some new buildings do have such a room--but that's in the private sector.
Funny how the private sector seems to accommodate more people sometimes,
isn't it?
> Public
> buildings, however, are victims of this "smoking evil!" mentality whereby enclosing a space somehow
> must change its legal character. Perhaps most opt not to have a room for above-mentioned insurance
> reasons? I'm a non-smoker, I'm encouraging of others who want to get rid of an expensive and smelly
> habit, but legislating people getting pneumonia (or heatstroke in other parts of the country) isn't
> the answer. After all, my own mother smokes a pack and a half a day.
Hmm.. it is a goal for people to stop smoking, but IMHO there are
greater concerns out there, and I think it is none of the governments
business to tell people what to do / not to do (Outside of violating
others rights). I can't wait until they go after fatty foods!
> Heh. My brother-in-law works over at Ann Arbor Fire Protection, and speaks often of the glory of
> hideous piping drawings. I guess that's the plumbing for a different sort of smoking, though. ;)
Man, Lindsay, you must have half of your family in the building
business! I think AEI has worked with Ann Arbor Fire Protection before,
we work the most with Hobbs * Black Associates here in Ann Arbor. I am
sure some contractors would love to test fire protection on us sometimes
for our drawings, as well! ;)
Scott "Yes, I work all the time!" Sanburn
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