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MODERATOR: Thank you. Government is evil. Except Republicans. GROVER NORQUIST: Let me begin by saying that government is evil, except Republicans.. Despite all evidence to the contrary, government has never done anything that’s not evil, except (...) (19 years ago, 30-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As Lenny explained, there is a (URL) in Islamic art> of not portraying the human figure. I'm not sure what you found unfortunately worded about my post. I am asking a valid question: is the LEGO Factory TOS' prohibition on the depiction of (...) (19 years ago, 28-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Well, with a pair of nunchuks the worst case scenario is likely a bloody nose (perhaps not the wielder's) or a VERY painful groin (more likely the wielder's!). :-D I do not now, nor would I ever advocate censoring anybody's MOC's, but I would (...) (19 years ago, 27-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for the overview Lenny. I do find the wording of the original post quite unfortunate (to put it lightly) but I can see that it is, at least, based on a somewhat valid assumption. On a related topic, I do find it interesting that most of (...) (19 years ago, 26-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Islamic views on "idols" are quite a bit more .. umm.. severe? than Christian views. Basically, Islam wants to avoid any appearance of idol worship what-so-ever, so images of people are usually avoided. Photographs of friends and family are (...) (19 years ago, 26-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What exactly do you mean by 'some sort of Islamic thing?'? Are you referring to the way that one should not make images of the Prophet? If so then it is probably some sort of Christian thing too as the Bible is pretty firm about idols. Tim (19 years ago, 26-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's very interesting. I wonder then, what are your thoughts on a MOC such as this (URL) being posted here? ROSCO (19 years ago, 26-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, there wasn't much discussion of censorship in the LUGNET thread. You may be thinking of the one on JLUG[1], but i thought we'd agreed that what goes on in JLUG should stay in JLUG. Cheers, Allister [1]which didn't transpire quite as (...) (19 years ago, 25-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? Looked to me like little more than 'not funny, this shouldn't even be on lugnet', which is a fair enough comment I suppose, but to characterise it as 'honest and accurate' is stretching credibility a bit. 'Off the cuff' might be a (...) (19 years ago, 25-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe Dave Schuler correctly identifies the root cause of the nazi mess here: (URL) response to your questions, You should speak your mind whenever you want. It's amusing to me that those who called you out for censorship wanted to censor (...) (19 years ago, 24-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Refering to this post: (URL) I think you should have taken out the parenthetical part, and the footnote. (...) Yes. Leave the conversation. If you start out talking about LEGO, and after a reply or 2, it has nothing to do with LEGO, leave! (...) (19 years ago, 24-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does that not cause you neck problems or is it an ergonomic halftrack with memory foam? Jude (19 years ago, 24-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey James, Thanks for getting my point and the little accompanying nudge (which was all in fun)! With all the virtual fur flying around here lately, I was really nervous about posting. The last thing I want is to mistakenly start a wildfire, (...) (19 years ago, 24-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't go away. Go there as well. Ondrew either will respond, or he won't. I don't care which. Do I look offended? <:^D Cheers, Allister (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hi Lenny, I emailed Suz soon after you cancelled your posts to ask for mine to be cancelled too but they are still here (I probably stuffed something up, it's my first cancelling) so if you (or anyone else) can cancel post 27201 and 27206 for (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hi Lenny, I've asked to have mine removed too for the same reasons. No hard feelings! Tim (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, I saw my post as random flaming. But I feel that my recent posts have been over the line, despite whatever good intentions I may have had, so I had them cancelled. Please take that as a sign of my regret for what I've said. -Lenny (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Few things--summer's been insanely busy, but beyond that--nothing to say (surprises me as well...) Swastika ship? Baah. I've seen personal pleasure devices built with LEGO. And the history of the swastika goes far beyond the third reich. If (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Although I disagree with the similarity to the "I hear you beat your wife..." argument (what I said was definitely not a leading question) if you see that it can be construed as me saying that Lenny was a racist then I will take the criticism. (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to get into it, but if someone states, "I hear you're a racist", that someone did not explicitly say "You are a racist" and can state "I didn't say you were a racist, I just said 'I *heard* you were a racist" Just like if someone stated (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I just wanted to see if I could get you to post outside of your org.ca.rtltoronto ivory tower, you nutty liberal Canadian West Wing fan. I haven't seen you outside of that group for weeks; if you're not careful, you're going to go native. (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) Nutty SOCIALIST Canadian West Wing Fan (with libertarian tendencies where personal choices--vis a vis affecting no one else--are concerned) Get it right! <snip> (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dear all, I would like to add to the record that I did not, and nor would I, call Lenny a racist. I don't believe that Lenny is a racist. If he is referring to someone else calling him a racist then you can ignore this. Tim (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you're a curator, so when your posts are viewed with that in mind. Granted, curatorship doesn't impart any magical powers, but it makes you seem more "official" than those of us who aren't curators, for what that's worth. I wouldn't (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) !
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Lenny, I assume that by changing the title you see my post as random flaming. It is not at all random and nor is it flaming. You have irritated me with your holier-than-thou attitude and I have merely pointed out some of your character flaws. (...) (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Non-adults participate in JLUG and are perfectly welcome to do so. And just to be clear, immature people are also welcome. Just because we say "..intended for a mature audience" does not mean others are not welcome to participate, if they find (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Just an open question to Lugnet. In the recent thread about Richie Dulin's Nazi Spiffcraft, I felt the need to speak my mind about the subject matter Richie posted. I made, what I felt, was an honest and accurate critique. That critique prompted a (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I sleep with a loaded halftrack under my pillow. Dave! (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I doubt you've made Richie cry but you've certainly made me irked. Stop acting as though you are somehow superior. You've been picking fights just as much as he has. (...) If you are one of these people, you have a valid right to make a (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What does "mature" equate to? Typically the adjectives 'mature' and 'adult' mean the same thing (Mature Language/Adult Language, etc). Or are you suggesting that non-adults can participate in JLUG? Funny thing that you would specifically (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I understand your point Dave. I think that its up to the parents to make sure that Brickshelf isn't the first place their kids learn about guns especially if there are guns in the child’s home. At have a .357 Magnum in my closet (locked in a gun (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think Allister was posting a satirical critique of Lenny's post(s) suggesting that JLug was the place to discuss stuff that he didn't think belonged on Lugnet. As I suspect you have just discovered, sometimes satire on the internet can be (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Allister, It’s not really conducive to debate when one person raises issues and asks questions, but the other responds by suggesting three times in the same message that he go away. I’ll probably stick around to see if Ondrew ever meant his post as (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I agree, Joe. The effect would/will probably be minimal, if at all. Having seen how kids react to the replica I made, I would definitely not encourage them to be exposed to it given the reactions I've seen. I don't think most children have (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey James, I believe OnDrew's concern, as stated in his post, was specifically with full-scale and very accurate replicas of real pistols and/or assault rifles, not historical vehicles. I'd be willing to be that the odds of a child finding a German (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I thought I should say that I don't advocate censoring anyone's MOC submissions. However, I think we may need to consider that a significant number of contributors to Brickshelf are adults who create works that some would say should only be viewed (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would just like to point out to all that seem to have formed an incorrect opinion about what JLUG is: JLUG is NOT an adult forum. From the user agreement, JLUG "..is for discussing any facet of creating with bricks but is intended for a (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Your argument is that I should have acted with more sensitivity? Quoth Lenny (from (URL) this post>): (...) A truly great example of sensitivity there. Even so, I’m not seeing the call for acting with more sensitivity in what you wrote. And (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Chris, The comment about 'self censorship' wasn't directed at anyone in particular. It's between you and your conscience what you post - nothing to do with me. However I did spot the satire, and enjoyed it, even allowing for the somewhat (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Lenny, The photo's actually part of an (URL) review> of Dino Attack's flagship set, 7477 T-Rex vs. T-1 Typhoon, that I dropped in .military because it was geared toward the crowd there. To summarize three pages of text in a sentence, it's difficult (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I didn't catch the satire until I read your reply to Allister. I see it now, very subtle. There's just so many people I've seen who'd write exactly what you wrote and mean every word of it. (...) Oh, didn't you read the description? Thats an (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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While I understand your concern Ondrew, but I have to ask where do you draw the line? What about other violent items made from LEGO, what about MOCs of military stuff? Would you suggest that MOCs like this: (URL) limited as well? I don't have the (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Lenny, You’re quite right, of course. Add that to the list of problems with both satire and original: they’re hopelessly overwrought. One thread of vociferous objection to a controversial MOC does not make a regime of censorship, nor does one (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If you think this is an issue now, wait until one of these shows up on LEGO Factory! Then we'll have a serious problem. You can't (by law, at least in the U.S.) buy a toy gun that looks like the real thing, for exactly the reason you cite (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Perhaps he was the one in ten? Tim (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't follow what you are talking about. First off, are you saying I am a censor? Who else is in this group of censors? How did you determine who's a censor and who isn't? Keep in mind that I have never argued that Richie shouldnt have the (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I dunno about that. I haven't seen much of Ali G, but I read his interview with Buzz Aldrin. Extremely funny, but I don't think Aldrin is an idiot. (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Allister, I usually lurk, but the original post coupled with the recent trends out here begged for a satire. Of course there are holes in this position, the same holes Ondrew’s original has; let’s count them. 1) If I truly “don’t want to create a (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) O, I agree, more or less. As is oft repeated, (URL) "LUGNET does not censor">. I believe this also to be a worthy goal of it's members. However, in a civilised community, such as I believe we're trying to build here, a certain amount of (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Jeff Findley" <jeff.findley@rmspam...mspam.com> wrote in message news:IKz1qq.1yAA@lugnet.com... (...) I agree with this as well. As much as I hate the idea of neo-Nazi's marching down the main street of my town (even though there's only a (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey all, I’ve noticed lately that there has been a surge in the amount of posts built on the theme of censorship and controlling what people build. Now I really don’t want to cause a fuss considering there are censors throughout the world but for (...) (19 years ago, 21-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Aside from the topic, I have to say that those are some really impressive models! More on topic, I believe that I agree with you OnDrew. About two years ago I attempted my own version of a Desert Eagle but in black with a futuristic fiberoptic (...) (19 years ago, 21-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey all, I’ve noticed lately that there has been a serge in the amount of MOC's built on the theme of guns and assault rifles. Now I really don't want to cause a fuss considering there are weapons throughout the Lego line but for some reason life (...) (19 years ago, 21-Aug-05, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I firmly believe that true Nazis (in the sense of the word where it is associated with a dark political agenda) would not quite be the kind of people who build Lego spaceships. Not even the most distorted of Nazi minds out there could possibly (...) (19 years ago, 20-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richie, I never accused you of being a Nazi, nor do I think you one. I want to be clear on that. I simply found your MOC tasteless and not funny. It spurred my hasty post calling for deletion. I regret that post, but I still feel you MOC was very (...) (19 years ago, 20-Aug-05, to lugnet.space, lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First thing...inventive model, though some would have question your design selection ;) Personnally I see no real problem with the design...the rotating blades/wings would probably be useful in slowing landings, reducing fuel consuption and (...) (19 years ago, 20-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Richie, You are not a nazi. This I believe. You meant to show something other than the impression many people got from your MOC - this too I believe, especially so after this last post. Before going further, please let me state that I've (...) (19 years ago, 20-Aug-05, to lugnet.space, lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Excellent story. I'm going to make a spiffcraft and christen it Diego de Landa and see if I get hate mail. P.S. Frank Lloyd Wright-a-tron! (19 years ago, 19-Aug-05, to lugnet.space, lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richie, I believe you're not a nazy. Can I try a little story? I am French, living in Taiwan. The first time I went to China, I brought back a cheap watch, on which you can see Mao waving his hand, as seconds pass. I thought it would make a nice (...) (19 years ago, 19-Aug-05, to lugnet.space, lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would agree. I was VERY disappointed at the pelting Richie got. But then again, I know that Richie is a great pirate builder and was reminded here. As a result, I asked him to write up an article on his ships in BrickJournal. Because he's a (...) (19 years ago, 18-Aug-05, to lugnet.space, lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right On Richie! I only read parts of this thread, mainly because of how vicious it got. But, I think you make a good point. Everyone needs to constantly listen and look in the mirror and see what the look and sound like. In my opinion, the (...) (19 years ago, 18-Aug-05, to lugnet.space, lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heck, don't make that your goal; *I* build space badly, and it's nothing to aspire to. Instead, you should try to learn to build space well! One piece of semi-serious advice that I can offer for a fledgling spacer is to attempt variations on (...) (19 years ago, 18-Aug-05, to lugnet.space, lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) -snip- If you want to increase your skills as a space builder, here's my advice: 1. Stop building things that you know will get a shock value. A fighter with a crucified Christ on the top? A spaceship in the shape of a swastika with Hitler (...) (19 years ago, 18-Aug-05, to lugnet.space, lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hello Richie, i read the whole off your post (and previous about the half of the original thread). I agree to what Jamie wrote, you just choose a subject which is to overladed with emotions. In fact here in germany your MOC is illegal. When (...) (19 years ago, 18-Aug-05, to lugnet.space, lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Normally I keep my nose out of stuff like this, but I might throw my 2 cents in. I think your choice of "sub-theme" was simply a bad choice. The holocaust was a very dark time in our planet's history and there are people alive that are still (...) (19 years ago, 18-Aug-05, to lugnet.space, lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I am not a nazi. Let me say that again: I am not a nazi. I really do want to make that point clear in this post. I am not a nazi. Nor do I want to be a nazi. If you frequent LUGNET, you may have noticed a MOC (my own creation) that I posted to the (...) (19 years ago, 18-Aug-05, to lugnet.space, lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate) !!
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(...) Firstly, Paulo, it would seem not. And secondly, let me assure you, as I have assured others, that I am not a nazi. -snip- (...) I'm glad you included that 'I'm pretty sure'. Many people have been making statements of the absolute. The sample (...) (19 years ago, 12-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Where's The Footnote man... you forgot the footnote: Wonderful Technicolor Fonts ! (19 years ago, 11-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) $$$$ (That's an emoticon of the four-finger ring I'll be wearing after the second movie) (19 years ago, 11-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It would be a huge hit. The next X-Men or Spiderman. A whole franchise, movies, etc. (19 years ago, 11-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Obscene emoticons are my super power. They should make comic books about us. (19 years ago, 11-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) An obscene emoticon! My one weakness! NOOO...OOO!!!!! (19 years ago, 11-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) True, but then we wouldn't be able have this spirited conversation ;-) -Orion (19 years ago, 11-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Exactly. (URL) Me, too.> JOHN (19 years ago, 11-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm. You say that love and hate are not opposites, but isn't that exactly what "passionate-"positive" (love) to passionate-"negative" (hate)" is? The opposite of apathy would be passion, not hatred, in my view. If something has an opposite, (...) (19 years ago, 11-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Again, you're talking about forced restricting. Is it possible that Nick and I are suggesting that Richie should have restricted himself? Also, you forgot to answer the question as to what exactly "speech behavior" is. Either its speech or its (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ahh.. if only wishing would make it so. (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you suggesting the Kulaks, Chechnyans and Poles have been the victims of genocide? That would be a massive expansion to the definition of genocide. Again you snip out my point about American atrocities. Tell me the difference between (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would imagine it's hurtful to the Jews that survived the camps, as well as Jews in general. But I guess I really don't know. You seem to know what is and isn't hurtful 3o:) This is an emoticon of me teabagging you. It doesn't hurt anyone... (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's not actually what he said, that's what you're inferring. (...) Yeah Lenny, lighten up. Samuel can give you funny lessons while wearing his rainbow swastika suspenders and hammer & sickle clown shoes. (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Correct. The question specifically stated "act". Samuel is framing my answer with what he thought, not what he wrote. (...) I choose not to. You can split hairs all you like, but a symbol represents something. In this case, it represents the (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think it's a cross between hatred of the cheesecake "O, confection! What hast thou wrought upon my stomach!" and self-hatred "O, weak man! What hast thou wrought upon thyself?" Either way, it descends from the initial love. (...) WHY DON'T (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So it's not as bad if you stretch out your genocidal activities over a few decades rather than just one? And I'm sure a few ethnicities within the former Soviet Union may disagree that they committed "political" crimes. Like the Kulaks, the (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah, but at whom is the hate directed? The cheesecake (which you love), or yourself (for spoiling the wonderful love relationship between you and the cheesecake), or God, who created such a perfect confection that, inexplicably, is not good for (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So basically you're saying Ross is a hypocrite? Well, I'm a hypocrite and so are you, Larry, and everyone else in the world. The person who says they've never been hypocritical is not only a hypocrite but a liar as well. The world would be (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pretty simple - if it doesn't hurt anyone to make a statement, it should be protected. But if we start restricting things because it upsets someone, we're starting down a slippery slope. Offensive speech is the only type that really needs (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) argument/question. But then, isn't it possible for Ross to deny that he made snide comments at all? Although I suspect that would be a pretty bold denial, since Ross does make snide comments all the time. I guess my point is that its a bit (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Its called a Loaded Question, a type of fallacious argument. A question with a false, disputed, or question-begging presupposition[1]. In your case the presupposition is that ROSCO's comments are snide. Ross in turn countered with the classic (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, no he isn't. You are. You said "should we restrict someone's right to ACT like a jerk if they want to?" "Act" generally means action, not speech. (...) I'm not sure Nick is advocating the legal restriction of speech in any respect. (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There is an old saying that I enjoy: "The opposite of love is not hate, it is apathy." What love and hate have in common is that are a deeply passionate caring about someone else. "Caring" in the sense of concern/wonder about what happens to (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You don't see a difference between a coordinated effort to complete destroy a race of people vs. a criminal justice system gone horribly wrong? Stalin had almost 30 years to kill roughly 20 million Russians - most of whom were killed in Gulags (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) How about this: I love cheesecake, but after I eat an entire one in a single sitting, my love is perverted into hate. Somehow I think that Mr. Hoffman was driving at a different point, though... Dave! (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm, now that is an interesting take. Care to expound? JOHN (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is an interesting point of view here Bruce. Although I am not religious and I don't see things in terms of good/evil and sin. Nazism being based on hate is not doing evil for evil's sake. Within your metaphor, the hate of Nazism is to (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Maybe I'm slow, but I'm not following here. What does this even mean? (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hehehehe, nice! ~Kevoh (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Colorful language, albeit in acro form, should stay there, too. JOHN (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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