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Re: LEGO Factory Terms Of Service
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Sun, 28 Aug 2005 05:55:55 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy Gould wrote:
  
   Islamic views on “idols” are quite a bit more .. umm.. severe? than Christian views. Basically, Islam wants to avoid any appearance of idol worship what-so-ever, so images of people are usually avoided. Photographs of friends and family are permitted, but they aren’t hung on the walls or in other places that honor the photo (ie, you can keep them in a photo book, or next to computer). Images of the Prophet, the Prophet’s family, or other fathers of Islam are very rare. Islamic children’s book generally have people, but their faces are kept blank.

I should note that these are traditionalist Sunni Muslim beliefs. I’m not sure about Shi’ite, Sufi, Kharijite or other Islamic views on idols and imagery. Modernist or reformed Sunnis might also be more relaxed on observing these traditions.

Contrast this with Eastern Orthodox Icons, Catholic religious paintings, and Protestant depictions of Jesus. There are some protestant denominations who take a stronger, more traditional view on images/idols (Jehovah’s Witnesses come to mind, others too). Historically, early Christians (c.200AD) had a view very similiar to the Islamic view, but when the religion was abopted by the Romans, there were some concessions made. Ironically, the split between Orthodox and Catholic Churchs was a dispute over use of Icons and Idols - the Orthodox disliked Icons but later embraced them.

-Lenny

Thanks for the overview Lenny. I do find the wording of the original post quite unfortunate (to put it lightly) but I can see that it is, at least, based on a somewhat valid assumption.

On a related topic, I do find it interesting that most of the major Christian denominations have now embraced something which is so fundamentally frowned upon in the Old Testament and even in the New Testament (IIRC). Mind you, I believe Hollywood had a rule at one point that one could neither portray Jesus nor God on film so the belief seems to have lived on to some degree.

Again, thanks for the information.

Tim

As Lenny explained, there is a tradition in Islamic art of not portraying the human figure.

I’m not sure what you found unfortunately worded about my post. I am asking a valid question: is the LEGO Factory TOS’ prohibition on the depiction of human beings an attempt to placate Muslim consumers, or does it have some other explanation?

The idea of a Scandinavian company kowtowing to Muslim fundamentalists is not unprecedented:

PM blasts IKEA

“We have over 200 warehouses around the world and have to take cultural considerations into account. In Muslim countries there is a problem using women in instructions,” IKEA’s information chief Camilla Lindemann told VG.

Marc Nelson Jr.

Marc’s Creations



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(...) And I agreed that the statement was valid. It was the wording I had a problem with. (...) Had it been worded like above I would have had no problem with it at all, and would have looked the topic up or asked about it. As it was you said "Is (...) (19 years ago, 31-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)  

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(...) Thanks for the overview Lenny. I do find the wording of the original post quite unfortunate (to put it lightly) but I can see that it is, at least, based on a somewhat valid assumption. On a related topic, I do find it interesting that most of (...) (19 years ago, 26-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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