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Re: When to speak one's mind?
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Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:04:56 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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> > <snip>
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> > > (as contrasted, for example, to
> > > those times when I blast Dave Koudys as a nutty liberal Canadian West Wing
> > > fan, which is a more personal attack).
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> > Nutty SOCIALIST Canadian West Wing Fan (with libertarian tendencies where
> > personal choices--vis a vis affecting no one else--are concerned)
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> > Get it right!
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> I just wanted to see if I could get you to post outside of your
> org.ca.rtltoronto ivory tower, you nutty liberal Canadian West Wing fan. I
> haven't seen you outside of that group for weeks; if you're not careful, you're
> going to go native.
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> Dave!
Few things--summer's been insanely busy, but beyond that--nothing to say
(surprises me as well...)
Swastika ship? Baah. I've seen personal pleasure devices built with LEGO. And
the history of the swastika goes far beyond the third reich.
If people are getting nutty over the swastika, then the confederate flag should
be banned as well. Probably right now, teh Iraqis are thinking the Stars 'n
Stripes should be in the same catergory as well...
Freedom of expression, though tempered by, what's the phrase--discernment--is
freedom of expression. No one yelled 'fire' in a theatre by posting a fancy
cross made outof LEGO.
From 'American President (from my nutty West Wing producer appreciatings)
President Andrew Shepherd: America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship.
You've got to want it bad, because it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say,
"You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your
blood boil who is standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs
that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to
claim this land as the 'land of the free'? Then the symbol of your country
cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising
his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate
that in your classrooms. Then you can stand up and sing about the 'land of the
free.'"
So if you want it, you have to let others have it as well, even if you hate what
they're saying.
I am in complete agreement with the idea that people should be sensitive to the
plight of others. Like that last episode of Seinfeld attests to, however, that
often does not happen.
If someone posts something that offends you, you can state that you were
offended (and the reasons why) but that's as far as it should go--there should
be no expectation of recompense or retraction from the offender. That's not how
this works.
For me to have the freedom to do what I want, others must have that same
freedom.
And if people want to be insensitive, that's completely up to them. As for me
and my house, I'll try to be understanding of others and what they went through,
or are going through. In the end, for me, it's a better way of interacting with
others.
Anyway, stated enough...
Dave K
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| (...) I just wanted to see if I could get you to post outside of your org.ca.rtltoronto ivory tower, you nutty liberal Canadian West Wing fan. I haven't seen you outside of that group for weeks; if you're not careful, you're going to go native. (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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