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(...) it's a nice universal way of summarizing. as long as it's not taken to a kilgore trout level it's interesting speculation. although I am an adament supporter of evolution, it is on a level of faith. I havn't looked through the microscopes or (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, okay, I admit I got a bit sloppy there. Let's say we are a nation that tolerates having Dubya as president. Isn't there some saying about the people getting the governement they deserve? Maggie (who will mind her own p's and q's if only (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, it helps-- but only insofar as whether or not I want to argue with people. It helps my sense of wanting to be "right" by saying "hey, they can believe what they want". In other words, by believing in such a theory, I'm less inclined to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) does existential second guessing paranoia work in other areas of your life? yes we can all pretend that we're in the matrix but I'd sooner make decisions based on commonly agreed upon fact of our time, unless proven otherwise. Who has time to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd sure say so. One root problem being (I think) that science has an awful definition of what it means to be alive. Evolution wants to separate itself from cosmology because it doesn't really have anything to say about the Big Bang or the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I don't have a problem with someone believing in a Greater Being... What I DO have a problem with is the following: IF such a Greater Being exists, why is he/she/it such a bastard? I don't take with the Watchmaker theory, it basically doesn't jive. (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I disagree. Evolution does not speak to the origins of life on a particular planet. It merely posits a mechanism by which life on that planet, once underway (by whatever way it came into being, which Evolution is mute on), can fill all (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evolution isn't trying to explain the universe. You seem to be stumbling over that. (...) Now *THIS* I can agree with (the reaction, not the notion). It's an impression I've had for a long time in .debate, although I don't think anyone's (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evolution is concerned with the origins of life not the universe. Those are unrelated fields of science, only associated by the fact that they are scientific pursuits. Theories and conceptions of the origin and nature of the Universe have (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There's a joke in there, alright, trouble is, it's in the White House! :-) Do you mean was I joking? No, of course not. Are you saying Uncle Tom Thomas isn't an unthinking bag man for the conservatives? Are you saying that there weren't (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can accept the matter and energy thing, but wouldn't that suppose that life and non-life are merely facets of the same thing, which would suggest that evolution and cosmology are intertwined? (...) Yes. It is a paradox, and thus illogical (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is all a joke, right? You people have gotten over the election and have moved on, right? I only ask because there are those who *still* fume about it... (Not that there's anything *wrong* with that!) [1] -John [1] My new (borrowed), (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think my own explanation is that your question forces conditions that weren't. Like me asking you if you stopped killing babies or some nonsense like that, since you never *were* killing babies in the first place. Essentially, there *is* no (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. I see your point, but am still a little fuzzy as to the distinction. Evolution, AFAIK, attempts to trace life back to proteins in a sea of goop, but then again, I think it would be fair to ask from where the goop came, and so on. -John (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The general understanding of the universe isn't evolution, though. It's cosmology. Evolution has to do with life from the point of the planet's formation--you can, in fact, divorce them; if you talk about cosmology you're moving (as Dan points (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) but that's not about evolution anymore - it's the origins question, I believe. I think it's ok to say I don't know what happened then, but to me, the most logical thing that was before the big bang, was another universe... basicly, we have a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If I may pose a question: Evolution is basically the theory that stuff comes from stuff that came before it. If you take stuff all the way back to the Big Bang (or whatever universe starting event you wish), where logically did *that* stuff (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not "my theory," and in fact it's very logical--and where it's not, it is open to challenge and change. That's the strength of science--that it's willing to admit that it does not have all the answers, yet. Remember that before (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I chop down trees, I wear high heels, Suspenders and a bra. I wish I'd been a girlie Just like my dear papa. -John (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And here *I* thought those kind of cars were only available to British 00 agents! -John (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's see... Chiarascurro is a dog-sized rodent native to South America, and Trompe L'oiel is that crazy circus with the uber-limber Thai contortionists, right? Dave! (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The SUVs are doing that??? Whoa. Auto automation (and auto armament, where's my Car Wars rule book!?!) in silly valley has gotten farther than I thought. Here I thought it was the *drivers* that were doing that, using their SUV (or gun, as the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oooo...ooo! I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay, I sleep all night and I work all day! Canada is a great place. I like Canada. But then again, I drove through Massachusetts and loved the place. Why the heck would people leave there for ugly sage (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or you could become Canadian, which, as *everyone* knows, is a happy balance between the British system and Americanism, and we're pretty nice people to boot! We have the best sense of humour, combining the satirical Monty Python with the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oooooo, british sports cars (have you fixed the darn oil leaks yet?), but have to put up with a queen? Tough choice. How about if I go to Scotland and foment rebellion? But then again, I could stay in SoCal, have my non-leaky Japanese but (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And yet, my comment to Maggie still stands. :-) (...) To switch devil advocate sides: the piece of paper is the will of the people. We can change it if we don't like it (political inertia may make it difficult, but if we perceive it to be that (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I'm saying the *people* of the United States voted for The Other Guy. Dubya lost by that measure. He's President because the people don't actually get to vote directly for the President, though it is expressed that way. That Dubya couldn't (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I'd say that one man was George the Elder's selection providing payback: Clarence "Uncle Tom" Thomas. :-) Bruce (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you kidding?-- that's how we're getting there (guns in the car rack). But first, please build another chunnel to us, and while you are preparing for our arrival, please lose those silly Monty Python accents;^D Mmmmm Four-wheeling in the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is some wrapping problem-- something else one needs not worry about f2f:-p -John (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please fix your quoting. You have omitted the leading ">" from the first line of your quoted material again.... If you can't take care to do this, maybe you're not taking care in your thinking either? (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to say I have enjoyed comparing the content of this thread with the "indivisible" theme of the subject line. ;) Any Americans who are not happy with life in the USA are welcome to come back to the UK (leave you guns, SUVs etc behind). (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Thomas Stangl writes: Luckily, the times I've seen you (...) Perhaps you are correct. FWIW, I find you very different IRL as well:-) I'm prone to say that it is the nature of this medium. It is always very interesting to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And yet, he's the prez... Don't ever say that the US *upholds* democracy above all else--a piece of paper trumped the will of the people. And, from my vague recollections of poli-sci 101, the US isn't even a democracy, in its purest form--not (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richard, John, It's real simple - Kill Filter each other. I kill filtered ScottA in this group only, and my life is much less stressful ;-) I have no problem reading his posts outside of .debate, but in here, he's as thick-headed (or moreso) than (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No way, Bruce! One man, one vote, and Scalia was that one man. Dave! (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I have been asked by several people to stop debating with you. Some have asked privately others publically. Some have defended you in part, in the main they have condemned you as being pointedly unreasonable -- which I think is true. I am merely (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you pointing out the fact that there is considerable evidence that the Florida election was fixed, Bruce? Cuz, I tend to believe this is true -- although most people have lost interest in the subject. I guess it's good to have family in (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What country would that be? Bruce (pointing out that the citizens of the U.S.A. rejected George Bush....) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, I wouldn't put it quite that way. Jesus was from God as no other had been before or since. Only One from God who would know God's nature would be able to reveal God to us (now this "us" could be interpreted as "the Jews" and then to the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well in the past I have argued against that. My thinking in this area is not all that well formed but I tend to favor strict liability, and in general, a weakening of what corporations (as opposed to individuals) can legally do and what powers (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course if the great intellect Richard Marchetti doesn't see any good in something, then there *isn't* any good in it and you all should obey his request. Do not, I repeat, do not try and think for yourselves. A greater intellect is at work (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, of course not. Not for a country whose citizens voted George W. Bush into office. Maggie C. (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wait a second. I thought the unifying belief of "Christians" was in the divinity of Jesus Christ--unless something has changed, and groups like the Unitarians are now "acceptable" to the bulk of Christianity as Christian faiths (not that (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahhhh. Interesting. Then it is irrelevant whether you accept Christ as God (avatar of God?) in relation to whether you are a Christian or not? That's my own opinion, but I suspect the majority of those that describe themselves as Christians (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave! and all: I ask that you stop responding to John Neal's posts. I can't see that there is any good in it. I just hope that the members of other countries that may see Neal's excretory texts realize that his is only one kind of minority view in (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right. But don't forget that 16 is essentially null and void -- it's a pretense of a new kind of tax when there are only two kinds of taxes: direct and indirect. See: (URL) in mind that I am of the political belief that a tax upon wages is a (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The nature of Jesus: God or man? Man or God? The early church struggled with this question and came up with a seemingly impossible conclusion: fully man AND fully God. The meaning or understanding of this is impossible and has led to many (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please do clarify. In the absence of a unifying belief, we're back to the point of saying "Xtians are those who say they're Xtians." Are you comfortable with that categorization? You and Mr. Koresh and Ms. Yates and Mr. Buchannan and Mr. (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In loo of that point I see if I can refrain. (...) You are wrong. Maybe more on that later. (...) At this point it wouldn't matter. The resurrection is a faith-based event. (...) *I* am the one who ironically brought the atheists into the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I withdraw my sharp rejoinder. But I hasten to add that it may be unwise to engage in name-based wordplay if one's name is John. (...) Well, it would seem to me that a professed Xtian would have to believe, at least nominally, in the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :-) Mine was a wordplay on "Schuler". The dirty dealer meant no harm... (...) Belief in *what exactly* about Christ? This is an extremely contentious issue among Christians. (...) Dave!! That is what *RM* did to Christianity, Jews, and (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John... Please, PLEASE fix your line wrapping messes when you post. Either fix them by hand or get a better posting tool. Here is an example - start - that I think (...) - end - See that first line? It should have a ">" in front of it just like the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This wasn't even your baldest assertion-- it was your characterization of Christianity as a group of homicidal innocent butcherers. Plus, I didn't want to go all "scoolboy" "Schoolboy" was a word play on Dave's last name-- I'm not sure what (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Easy there, zealot. (...) How about an alleged belief in Christ? That seems like a binding factor that unites Andrea Yates, Torquemada, Emperor Constantine, David Koresh, Mother Theresa, and Padre Pio, regardless of the different (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's bull, Chris. Look at RM's reply to my question that *started* this whole thing: Me: What term would *you* use for a homicidal, innocent-butchering group who believes that they are acting on behalf of God? RM: Xtians? Richard was (...) (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not really my job to assign guilt to you. That's up to you. I feel vaguely uneasy about sitting by and paying taxes when my government(s) do wrong. And I feel like guilt is virtually always shared by the people involved in some mishap. (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I just wanted to see what it felt like to make bald assertions like the troll, John. Plus, I didn't want to go all "scoolboy" on you since I know you value your ignorance so much. DOG forbid you should learn anything, including the error of (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Replace "Christians" with any "Religious" and the sentence still makes sense - much sense. (...) See "Buddhist" (sp?) (...) The mere fact that you don't hear them does not mean they are not there... these are the ones that do not attend (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I got his point. I think it's a valid restatement of your words to show that they can be applied to many groups. you DO paint atheists with an excessively broad brush, you know. More importantly.... I have a favor to ask though... please do a (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But then you wouldn't be talking about *only* Christians. If belief in God is your sole criteria, then you would have only a small portion of the group if you were speaking of Christians-- Muslims, Jews, Deists, etc would be a part of that (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doh! Right in the subject, too... Chris (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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A little terse, aren't we? (...) Yes, isn't it amazing how much better we know now than we did back then. And isn't it amazing how we can't possibly conceive that the future is going to be any better at making decisions than we do today. I always (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Something just struck me wrong when I read this... (...) Back up there, schoolboy. Christians *can* be categorized insofar as that they all have one thing in common that binds them-- belief in God. But you would be hard pressed to find a single (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Correct. The "Big AMA Conspiracy" *actually* in effect is the one that restricts the supply of doctors in order to drive up the price of medical services. Classic cartel/union operation. (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Back up there, schoolboy. Atheists *can* be categorized insofar as that they all have one thing in common that binds them-- no belief in God. But you would be hard pressed to find a single common belief among *all* Christians, short of their (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) K, I was replying to someone who mentinoed that perhaps there is no God and that I'm wasting my time being a Christian. My answer, slightly tongue-in-cheek, was stating that 'so what?' If I get to the end of my life, living as a Christian and (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right to whom? To yourself? That's mighty solipsistic of a professed Xtian. Regardless, Pascal's wager is no validation of faith whatsoever, unless one already believes and feels like he needs a reason to continue. (...) Well, quacks are (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) Again, fruitcakes who have no idea what God's word is about--they are not Christians, they are religious fanatics--just 'cause they call themselves Christians doesn't mean they (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can you not see the contradiction you're broadcasting? You are constantly sputtering about "athiests" and "leftists" as if either group can be painted with a single brush, but then you get your undies in a bunch when people applie your own (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Herbs have complex chemicals that are as yet poorly understood. Some of them are certainly medicinal. And "real doctors" have been practicing quackery through the ages. (...) Something being legal doesn't make it right. Slavery of negros was (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In fairness, John was looking for groups, not individuals. Any bigish group is going to have some fruitcakes. And in her case, you can hardly blame her Christianity (unless there's something I don't know about her). (...) This, OTOH, is a (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ooooh, now that's the real question--is the kid denying his or her faith? Then we have a situation--the kid wants the treatment. If the child understands the implications of forsaking her or his religion... if we believe that the child is (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps they're just miffed at the roughness with which that extra "T" was inserted. best LFB (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) If I backed the wrong horse and/or he doesn't exist (as proven in HHGTTG btw) then I have lived my life to the best of my ability for no other reason than it was the right thing to do. (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not baloney. What gets my undies in a bunch is when ignorant people group *all* Christians together. Because one sorely misguided wacko such as Andrea Yates, who claims to be a Christian offs all of her kids, that must mean that *ALL* (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But what I'm asking, is: what if the child wants medical treatment and the parent forbids it? (...) So if I see that a piano is falling from the seventh floor window right above you and I choose to say nothing -- letting you squash, that's OK? (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You may have whatever you want for you and your child, as, if and when I have them, I should be the responsible guardian for my child. (...) No, in one case the superzealots are killing innocents, ending lives that they themselves are not (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) **snip of some stuff** That's all well and good, but the point is that John asked for an example of a Xtian (or group thereof) in the past 100 years who killed innocent women or children, and I provided several examples. At any rate, I don't (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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hmm, is your real name George Michael? See: George Michael: Is his single offensive? (URL) A (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fine. I agree. But who are you to say that I *may not* have it? Even if you're my parent. (...) Not really. In one case, superstitious zealots are killing innocents. In the other, superstitious zealots are killing innocents. I don't see a (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand that agents of the queen discretely trans-ship heroine on the chunnel trains. The profits from this operation must be how they're funding the occupation force. Good luck in your repulsion! Hopefully we won't be too busy with the (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) <snip> K, this has been alluded to, and I personally have no personal stake in it for I have no problem getting my appendix ripped out if it has to be... But we know-better-than-you...your-kids' who say you 'religious-fanatics' should do as we (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yes, Brittain has become a powerfull foe. Terrorists have infiltrated the U.K. and make Tony Blair suck up to George Bush to mask their intentions. Later they are going to use the Channel tunnel to launch an army against the European continent. (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi all, According to CNN at (URL) it seems that the UK is acting strangely. Does anyone here know more about this? Is this a regular tactic of the UK? Or is it a baseless accusation? Chris (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Darn your rules! America is the Greatest Nation in the Country! I shouldn't have to be constrained by the conventions of polite discourse! Dave! (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It does HERE, Dave! We do things differently around here, and you'd be well served to keep that in mind, Dave! :-) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Andrea Yates. Those fun fellows who murder physicians who perform abortions. Any number of Xtian Scientists or similar denominations forbidding medical care for children. Anyone, frankly, instructed by George W Bush to kill during the current (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cite please (let's see if you can keep it to within 100 years of today) (...) butchers of all-time... Ah, we're *all* guilty of butchering innocent women and children, so how could we condemn any one else who does? Welcome to Moral Relativism (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Xtians? Jews? Muslims? Etc.? Funny the things that get justified for THE MOST HOLY reasons... -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 7-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snip> (...) If you mean rich guys don't have the "freedom" (aka power) to buy a seat in power - I agree. Protecting democracy is far more important. (...) lol. Was Thatcher a liberal? <snip> (...) have (...) billions (...) Think bigger John. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your choice of having your children taught french is very wise, IMHO. As a starter for romace languages it is very good *because it is hard*, and it comes quite handy at times. From french, italian, catalonian and (to a lesser degree) spanish (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The very idea of a senate was to provide a stabler body of legislators-- hence the longer 6 year term. If you merely get re-elected, you have already logged 12 years. Compare that to a rep, which would represent 6 terms. I was thinking of it (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I got (...) lol First, I don't know much French (though my kids speak it fluently)-- I was guessing at the spelling. The translation is Rooney's himself-- that it refers to gambling just adds to its humor:-) Thanks for the info, Pedro! -John (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not defending my post as a refutation of your claim, but I'm curious about this. How is long term limit a flaw? I was thinking of it as an asset because it supplies a venue in which long periods of public service are reasonably possible. (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I know what you mean. I didn't figure anyone would actually do the Senate thingy, I was just fooling around at work. :-) (...) I actually don't think that I refuted it...just provided some data. But I agree that his 5:1 is likely too high. On (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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And how is the below any different than completing a third term? In either case, the INTENT was to work a third term, whether it was completed or not. (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE Internet Technical Support, Sun Microsystems | iPlanet Support - (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My assertion was among career politicians (all politicians), the ones over 20 years of service would be 5:1 Democrat. I just pulled that ratio out of the air. His sample really had nothing to do with my hypothesis. -John (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe there was a typo in the original sentence: "les jeux son faits" should translate to "the game is set" or "the bets are made". Frequent in Casinos, IIRC, when the roulette is spinned. Pedro (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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