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Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:38:39 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dan Boger writes:
> Something just struck me wrong when I read this...
>
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > Back up there, schoolboy. Atheists *can* be categorized insofar as that they
> > all have one thing in common that binds them-- no belief in God. But you would
> > be hard pressed to find a single common belief among *all* Christians, short of
> > their belief in God (in which case you are hardly talking about Christians in
> > particular).
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> Back up there, schoolboy. Christians *can* be categorized insofar as that they
> all have one thing in common that binds them-- belief in God.
But then you wouldn't be talking about *only* Christians. If belief in God is
your sole criteria, then you would have only a small portion of the group if
you were speaking of Christians-- Muslims, Jews, Deists, etc would be a part of
that group as well. You would have no way to separate Christians from the
other God-believing groups.
But you would
> be hard pressed to find a single common belief among *all* Atheists, short of
> their lack of belief in God (in which case you are hardly talking about
> Atheists in particular).
Because they don't have any (When we talk about beliefs, we are talking about
*religious* beliefs). They are defined by their complete lack of religious
beliefs.
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> > Further, I attacked *extremist* Muslims, which are a group who *all* believe in
> > the concept of jihad and find the killing of innocents *perfectly* acceptable.
> > You *will not* find such agreement in Christianity, or any other religion
> > AFAIK (although you *might* find it in some *extreme* fringe group, but they
> > would be condemned by the group as a whole anyway). The equation of such
> > extremist groups and their larger groups is what I find objectionable.
>
> so...
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> I could attack *extremist* Christians,
Yes, of course. That is my point.
which are a group who *all* believe in
> the concept of bombings and find the killing of innocents *perfectly*
> acceptable. You *will not* find such agreement in Islam,
Not true. There *are* Muslims who condemn Muslim extremists-- I only wish more
would speak out against it.
or any other religion
> AFAIK (although you *might* find it in some *extreme* fringe group, but they
> would be condemned by the group as a whole anyway). The equation of such
> extremist groups and their larger groups is what I find objectionable.
>
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> Can't you see how much you're contridicting yourself?
No. I think you are either missing my point or making an incorrect analogy or
both. Regardless, your splicing up my post is obfuscating.
-John
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