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Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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Date: 
Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:02:39 GMT
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> > The past two UK general elections have produced MPs who got to power with
> > virtually no funding. That is freedom.
> > 
> > In the UK we limit MP?s political advertising budgets to allow open access
> > to power.
> 
> You said it. You "limit" the budgets.  That's *not* freedom.

If you mean rich guys don't have the "freedom" (aka power) to buy a seat in
power - I agree. Protecting democracy is far more important.

> 
> The average winning candidate spends about $40,000.00.  Think
> > about how that would change your system of government. Bored businessmen
> > can?t buy themselves a seat in our parliament by spawning the TV with
> > vacuous advertisements.
> 
> So the liberal, career-politician incumbants can remain in power.  No thanks.

lol. Was Thatcher a liberal?

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> 
> > Take a look at what your country is willing to do in the name of freedom.
> > The biggest risk to you and me is your country's foreign policy. Understand
> > that much John.
> 
> I can't because I don't know what you are talking about.  Is it because we

have
> the nerve to support those whom they hate?  Is it because we give them

billions
> of $$$ for their oil?  You will need to explain that one.

Think bigger John.

> > 
> > > 
> > > This is war, Scott.  And we all know what the first casualty of war is.
> > 
> > The innocent?
> 
> Sorry, I thought you did.  I was referring to civil rights.
> > 
> > > It is
> > > inevitable, especially in such a free society as ours.  But we (all) will
> > > overcome this adversity and be better for it.
> > 
> > Time will tell. I?ll sleep a lot better once Bush Jr stops his recruiting
> > drive for what you call "Islamic fundamental whackos".
> 
> What term would *you* use for a homicidal, innocent-butchering group who
> believes that they are acting on behalf of God?

There are many who fit that bill John, not just "Islamic fundamental whackos".
Wake up and smell the coffee.

> But I'd really like to know
> what this policy is that is so horrible that it induces people to murder
> innocent women and children.

I think it is policy which results in the deaths innocent women and children.

> > 
> > If you keep kicking a dog, it will bite you no matter how big you are.
> 
> You just won't understand.  We did not bring this on ourselves.

I'm not saying it is as simple as that.

Why did all "this" happen in your view?

> We are who we
> are to the *whole* world-- I don't see anyone else reacting the way they are.
> We are not kicking the dog.  If the dog thinks we are and he bites, he will be
> put to sleep.

Now you are condoning genocide? Lovely!

Scott A

> 
> -John



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(...) You said it. You "limit" the budgets. That's *not* freedom. The average winning candidate spends about $40,000.00. Think (...) So the liberal, career-politician incumbants can remain in power. No thanks. (...) One big reason is because they (...) (24 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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