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Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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Fri, 5 Jul 2002 07:35:20 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
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> > > > Can you say "pledge ruling"? I'm not sure that there *can* be an ideal
> > > > document-- stuff will always happen that one could never have predicted.
> > >
> > > Indeed, but it is important to iron out any imperfections. You constitution
> > > allows political power to be bought and sold. Millionaires can buy
> > > elections. Third parties can run negative campaigns against candidates (eg
> > > NRA). Your embassies are stocked with political donors. I won?t even mention
> > > the plumb book or pork barrelling.
> >
> > But then you are simply restricting freedoms. Pretty soon we'd end up like the
> > UK>;-)
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> The past two UK general elections have produced MPs who got to power with
> virtually no funding. That is freedom.
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> In the UK we limit MP?s political advertising budgets to allow open access
> to power.
You said it. You "limit" the budgets. That's *not* freedom.
The average winning candidate spends about $40,000.00. Think
> about how that would change your system of government. Bored businessmen
> can?t buy themselves a seat in our parliament by spawning the TV with
> vacuous advertisements.
So the liberal, career-politician incumbants can remain in power. No thanks.
> People need to ask why these inequalities exist.
One big reason is because they are *perpetuated* by shameless pandering from
the left. Victims need social champions. Funny thing is, nothing seems to
change for them. Sure, they get a bone now and then, but that's about it.
When will the working class realize that they are merely being used by the left
to justify and perpetuate their (liberals) pathetic existence. There is
nothing sorrier than a career politician.
> > Who said anything about force? I'm just saying that 100 years ago people
> > couldn't try to fit in fast enough. Today it's the opposite.
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> Is that a problem? Don't you want your kids to speak Spanish? ¿Quizás está
> agregará una dimensión cultural a su vida?
Actually, I did. My city offers language immersion schooling, although the
selected language wasn't Spanish, but French. Both of my kids speak french
fluently.
> Take a look at what your country is willing to do in the name of freedom.
> The biggest risk to you and me is your country's foreign policy. Understand
> that much John.
I can't because I don't know what you are talking about. Is it because we have
the nerve to support those whom they hate? Is it because we give them billions
of $$$ for their oil? You will need to explain that one.
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> >
> > This is war, Scott. And we all know what the first casualty of war is.
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> The innocent?
Sorry, I thought you did. I was referring to civil rights.
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> > It is
> > inevitable, especially in such a free society as ours. But we (all) will
> > overcome this adversity and be better for it.
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> Time will tell. I?ll sleep a lot better once Bush Jr stops his recruiting
> drive for what you call "Islamic fundamental whackos".
What term would *you* use for a homicidal, innocent-butchering group who
believes that they are acting on behalf of God? But I'd really like to know
what this policy is that is so horrible that it induces people to murder
innocent women and children.
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> If you keep kicking a dog, it will bite you no matter how big you are.
You just won't understand. We did not bring this on ourselves. We are who we
are to the *whole* world-- I don't see anyone else reacting the way they are.
We are not kicking the dog. If the dog thinks we are and he bites, he will be
put to sleep.
-John
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