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Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:26:50 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:

What term would *you* use for a homicidal, innocent-butchering group who
believes that they are acting on behalf of God?

Xtians?

Cite please (let's see if you can keep it to within 100 years of today)

Andrea Yates.  Those fun fellows who murder physicians who perform abortions.
Any number of Xtian Scientists or similar denominations forbidding medical
care for children.

<snip>

K, this has been alluded to, and I personally have no personal stake in it
for I have no problem getting my appendix ripped out if it has to be...

But we know-better-than-you-what's-best-for-your-kids' who say you
'religious-fanatics' should do as we say in our society 'cause it's right...

Look, in the vast scope of the universe, our lifespans are teeny-tiny.  I'm
not belittling life--I love mine annd I sure don't want it to end... but we
have no concept what there is after our physical shells are pushing up
daiseys.  If a religion believes that the 'soul' is not going to heaven due
to a medical procedure, who are we to say they *must* have it?  Sure some
would say 'Well, what if your religion says you have to go blow up folks...'
well then that's different, isn't it?  The parents raise the kids, pure and
simple.  Yes, if there's abuse and I mean real honest to goodness abuse,
then that's completely different.  Not letting a child undergo a medical
procedure, even if it's life-saving, is *not* abuse if there is a violation
of fundamental principles.  There are many children all over the world, even
in G8 countries, that don't get the the surgery they need and they don't
have the religious issues--worry about them instead.

Defying a religious belief, whether we believe in it or not, it's a base
principle for them--they are willing to die for that principle, just as we
should be willing to die for ours.  We should not, however, have other
people die for what we believe--and for them--surgery = spiritual death.

~60 years on this planet weighed against an eternity with our Lord and
Saviour?--No contest.

Dave



Message has 2 Replies:
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) **snip of some stuff** That's all well and good, but the point is that John asked for an example of a Xtian (or group thereof) in the past 100 years who killed innocent women or children, and I provided several examples. At any rate, I don't (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) Fine. I agree. But who are you to say that I *may not* have it? Even if you're my parent. (...) Not really. In one case, superstitious zealots are killing innocents. In the other, superstitious zealots are killing innocents. I don't see a (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) Andrea Yates. Those fun fellows who murder physicians who perform abortions. Any number of Xtian Scientists or similar denominations forbidding medical care for children. Anyone, frankly, instructed by George W Bush to kill during the current (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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