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Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:34:38 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dan Boger writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
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> > > What is it about evolution that seems so illogical to you?
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> > If I may pose a question: Evolution is basically the theory that stuff comes
> > from stuff that came before it. If you take stuff all the way back to the Big
> > Bang (or whatever universe starting event you wish), where logically did *that*
> > stuff come from? At some point, you'd have to acknowledge that some stuff came
> > from nowhere, which seems illogical within the perimeters of evolution (to me,
> > at least).
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> but that's not about evolution anymore - it's the origins question, I
> believe. I think it's ok to say I don't know what happened then, but to me,
> the most logical thing that was before the big bang, was another universe...
> basicly, we have a pulsing universe, that collapses upon itself once in a
> while, resulting in a new big bang each time. and so, to the end of time...
The general understanding of the universe isn't evolution, though.
It's cosmology. Evolution has to do with life from the point of
the planet's formation--you can, in fact, divorce them; if you talk
about cosmology you're moving (as Dan points out) to the origins
question.
Physicists seem to accept that near the point of singularity (the
"bang" point) all laws of physics break down, and nothing can be
predicted or known. But even calling it a "big bang" is misleading;
it implies that there was space and time before the initial expansion
of the universe, which there really wasn't. This idea that a dot
exploded into empty space runs counter to what's mathematically and
astronomically observed. It's more like the expansion of a balloon
than the explosion of a bomb, but even that isn't quite accurate,
because something exists outside of the balloon and independent of
it--unlike the expanding universe, which seems to create its space
as it goes.
LFB
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