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Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
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Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:28:17 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > I can accept the matter and energy thing, but wouldn't that suppose that life
> > and non-life are merely facets of the same thing, which would suggest that
> > evolution and cosmology are intertwined?
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> I'd sure say so. One root problem being (I think) that science has an awful
> definition of what it means to be alive. Evolution wants to separate itself
> from cosmology because it doesn't really have anything to say about the Big
> Bang or the Sun's trajectory, etc. Hence, the answer according to *strictly*
> Evolutionary theory as set out in science is that it has no clue how life
> initiated. Just kinda "happened". Personally (and this sounds really
> out-there or crazy or extremely harsh) I think there's not really as much of
> a distinction between "life" and "energy in general" as one might otherwise
> think.
> > Oh, I think there's a clear winner. So do you. :) In the end, you're right
> though. It's just a question of what you find more believeable. I mean, I
> could argue that I'm God and that I'm controlling the universe, and everyone
> in it. You can't disprove it, but you can find it less believable than your
> own explanation. In the end, reality is as we perceive it, not as it "truly" is.
does existential second guessing paranoia work in other areas of your life?
yes we can all pretend that we're in the matrix but I'd sooner make
decisions based on commonly agreed upon fact of our time, unless proven
otherwise. Who has time to consider whether the peanut butter is really
there before you go to make a sandwich.
> Well, take the example of me controlling the universe. Logical? I guess so.
> But my "sense of logic" tells me that that theory is wrong. My same sense of
> logic also tells me that Creationism is wrong. Is Creationism illogical? No.
> But I find it less likely due to my interpretation of the evidence.
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> Did WWII happen? You can't prove to me it did. You can't prove to me that
> the world existed before 1950, because I can deny it and find wacky
> explanations behind the "evidence" you present to me. Would I be being
> illogical? Nah, it's logical. Just not too likely. I think there's a
> definite difference between the two. With issues like WWII, the 'line'
> between "likely" and "unlikely" is pretty darn clear. With
> Creationism/Evolution, it's less clear.
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> How do we tell what to believe? I think it's a question of application.
> Using the "I, DaveE, control the universe" theory, you can believe it if you
> want-- but you're more likely to get predictable, useful results if you
> instead believe that physics,etc controls the universe. Try each method, see
> which works better, and use it.
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> I mean, Creationism's great and all, and it makes logical sense-- but from
> my own experiences, it just seems unlikely. And furthermore, Evolutionary
> theory may help me figure things out a bit more. Creationism simply doesn't
> have much in the way of practical application. Look at the "DaveE, master of
> the universe" theory. Even if it's true, how does that help you to predict
> anything? Why bother believing it?
>
> DaveE
see above lol
Joseph
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| (...) Oh, it helps-- but only insofar as whether or not I want to argue with people. It helps my sense of wanting to be "right" by saying "hey, they can believe what they want". In other words, by believing in such a theory, I'm less inclined to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I'd sure say so. One root problem being (I think) that science has an awful definition of what it means to be alive. Evolution wants to separate itself from cosmology because it doesn't really have anything to say about the Big Bang or the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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