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(...) You seem to be arguing that there shouldn't be a separation between church and state, the same thing these 'founding father' seemed wary of. (...) Deists come *awfully* darn close, in function if not appearance. (...) I've always called the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evidentily the Knights of Columbus did. This Catholic organization is the one that led the charge to get the words "under God" appended to the Pledge of Allegiance. The Pledge has existed longer without those words than with them (okay, not by (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He's figured us out. Ah well, it was fun while it lasted. DaveE (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOL Hope you enjoyed it while it lasted. Seems the old coot who wrote the decision has already recanted. What a quack. -John (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's another encouraging bit of religious tolerance: Newdow said that since the ruling he has received death threats, including one left on his answering machine that said, "You're a dead man walking." Newdow said he has received a flood of (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand that they have been overturned by the SC 12 of 17 times, or something like that. Nice track record! I assume it will be sent up to the (...) Especially after their (US Supreme Court) *last* ridiculous ruling (executing the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since I'm the one who mentioned your libelous comments, I'll address this. You mischaracterize me (and thereby attempt a straw-man argument) by suggesting that I cry libel whenever I read something I dislike--that's simply not the case. I (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Some more quotes for you: "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded upon the Christian Religion." - John Adams "I am no Christian" - Ethan Allen "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have not mentioned any particular religion so far, so for you to is a little puzzling... If the FF weren't religious, why envoke the name of God in the D of I? (...) So why should *now* be any different? (As any politician will soon find out (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed! You should give grace us with your crap more often. Chris (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, um... thanks for clearing that up! (...) Apropos of nothing in particular I would like to point out that as a child I had to sing both lyrical versions of this song at various points in my elementary school career (1), and therefore I remember (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That line of mine is from 'Oh Canada' Sometimes when I'm debating, I jump from one side of hte border to the other 'cause invariably, the stupidity that happens to our bigger brother, will eventually happen to us, though always on a much (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm confused by it. Before we get into why, I want to state clearly that I oppose the practice of reciting the PoA in schools with every ounce of my being -- but not particularly because of the God thing. Such childhood political (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John: The founding fathers were not religious and they were certainly not christians -- and that's putting it mildly. More anon... (...) I am sure at least some critical members actually were; or if not, they were merely deists[1] -- which is sort (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The original intent of lugnet.lego.direct was to serve for polite, swift and to the point discussions with LEGO Direct (or something mostly to that effect). I think that the group has evolved into something completely different by now. It is (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This reminds me of a good line in the movie Spartacus. Senator Gracchus says to Marcus, "Privately I don't believe in any of the gods, and neither do you, but publicly? I believe in all of 'em." The Senate resolved 99-0... which senator was (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course all Christians are equal, it's just that some are even more equal... /Tore (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wouldn't have expected you to want to keep anyone straight...What do you care? Chris FUT lugnet.off-topic.out...ext-quotes (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, but this group was created to serve as a kind of 'steam valve'. The intent was for threads that started in other groups, but got heated and off-topic, to move to this group. There was never an intent for this group to actually generate (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I continue to recommend to people to read original sources. It is hard to find a ringing endorsement of religion in Jefferson, for example. Certainly the Founding Fathers read religous books and belonged to various denominations, and the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm confused. I thought David Koudys more likely to sing "God Save Our Gracious Queen" than "My Country Tis of Thee" but I could be wrong. Or is it that he just went to college in CA but is a US citizen after all? I admit it. I can't keep all (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) even better quotes from Mr Bush: Speaking Thursday at the G-8 summit in Canada, Bush said the ruling was "out of step with the history and traditions of America," and said it highlighted (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) you're arguing about the semantics here. Would it be ok with there were state run mosques? a mosque isn't a church, right? I strongly believe that the state should stay away from all (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You only perceive it as a slippery slope because you're heavily invested in your particular deity. That's your right, obviously, but that doesn't mean The State can endorse a deity. To an athiest, an agnostic, a humanist, or even to someone (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, I won't go around telling you what to do -- but I disagreed strongly with most of that on a personal level. The separation of church and state should mean that everyone's religious beliefs are respected and that there is no official state (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: I (...) Like it or not, our nation was founded by men who believed that the US was a country of higher purpose-- as it has turned out to be. To extricate the core values of those who created the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: snip (...) Love people who try to get their points across by jumping right to the end of the slippery slope. I don't believe in the 'popular view', as in 'its *just* a tradition so who cares?' And (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here are a few other gems from (URL) Sen. Kit Bond, R-Missouri, was one of many lawmakers who immediately reacted in anger and shock to the ruling. "Our Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves. This is the worst kind of political (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As of the last census, I was born and still live in the US of A, and I vote, work, and pay taxes here, so my discussions of "my" country tend generally to involve the US. In addition, your sesquipedalian label isn't entirely accurate, since I (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was always very confused by this when I was at school in the US. My US Government class made a big deal of the 'separation of church and state', yet we (well not me obviously, though I did stand for it) were expected to recite the pledge (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton writes: <snip all but the most salient point> (...) Nope. If anything, you're one of the most level-headed posters around. James (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, I had kinda given up on this thread after a week or so, but I have to say, I'm rather suprised at the response I *did* finally get! I'm not sure what you mean by "all the crap [I] say about other people", other than my quasi-recent (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's an article that blames crime on diet (URL) sort of... ROSCO (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) * checks head for trepanning *... hey my keys! Joseph (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm delighted too for now, but isn't this a decision of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, one of the more liberal bodies? I assume it will be sent up to the U.S. Supreme Court for their decision-- and I bet we won't be so delighted then. BTW (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Like Matt, I hadn't heard of the show until the toys were announced. I tried watching the show a couple of times but it really didn't grab me. (...) Your arguement would be more constructive if it wasn't so sweeping in it's generalization. (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Na... at least not until you actually make some "hilarious" threats. (insert rimshot here). :-) You've got "vague" covered though. Jeremy, in one sense everything said here can be viewed as somewhat likely to offend the sensibilities of some (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, how does this mean I don't like Dave. A lot of times Dave is a very positive and great guy. I can't say I love him, but without him, Lugnet wouldn't be the same. This type of message is sick though, whomever posts it. Hey, I've spoken my (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It seems to have annoyed Senator Robert Byrd of W. Va... (I saw him on a clip that CNN showed storming around the senate almost at a loss for words in annoyance at "that stupid judge" missing the point of course that it was a panel of 3 judges (...) (22 years ago, 27-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is a reason that this is called "off-topic.debate". We're not *supposed* to talk about LEGO here. That's what the rest of LUGNET is for. Personally, whenever the Pledge of Allegiance is said, I participate but omit the words "Under God". (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They can leave that motto, for all I care, as long as they add: "All other pay cash!" ;-) Bruce (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They can leave that motto, for all I care, as long as they add: "All others pay cash!" ;-) Bruce (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Simply moronic. The government *claims* all sorts of things. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong, and sometimes there are some evil people with a hidden agenda. It has nothing to do with "conservative" or "liberal". It has to do (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Eh? I think Schuler is a U.S. guy -- this means he is a citizen of the country with this particular controversy. And while we do talk Lego here, this is off-topic.debate, which gives Schuler some latitude. And that last part -- well, you (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Now pardon me, but I live in Kentucky USA, and find that the issue of the Pledge of Allegiance being Religeos is a big issue that is important. I agree with the courts decision. The use of that pledge, as it is written today was used in my (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I cannot believe that this discussion board, Lugnet, has become an place for antidisestablishmenttarians to comment on what is going on in other people's countries, and describe their mental high on an issue that is controversial. We talk about Lego (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Next step is likely to be the motto on the dollar bills "In God we trust"... ;-) Pedro (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) For the life of me I can't imagine why this never happened before, but I'm delighted by it. Dave! (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree! Either we have a case and should try him, or we don't have a case and should release him (after implanting a GPS tracking device, of course...) (...) Well, sure! I'd just like them to be consistent in their particular flavor of (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I can't see why Padilla can't be given his rights, due process, equal protection, trial by jury for treason, right to appeal, and then hung upside down by the short-hairs until he is dead either... I mean, the guy is an american however (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And correlation doesn't equal causation, except when convenient for one's agenda! 8^) (...) A tangential but related point: On Saturday I chanced to hear some of the Mike Reagan radio show on which Mike (with typical, laser precision) (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As someone who has been a HUGE fan of the Fox Network since its inception, I have to heartily disagree with your declaration that Fox has "never really" had "anything worth watching". While your statement could be read as a blanket dismissal (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Excluding Texas would probably work to his advantage: I believe Texas has the highest murder rate along with the highest execution rate. Either capital punishment has little effect, or Texas would soon be laid waste without it (one must test (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I expect there are a great deal of studies which prove it works, and just as many which prove it does not. Personally, I think that is irrelevant. I oppose it as: a) I think it is immoral. b) Justice is always subject to human error. c) I (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me too. I always understood that most murders were committed by husbands boyfriends, fathers, step-dads etc? On the broader subject of the death penalty, I think it is good that the US has finally decided to stop executing criminals "learning (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd want to see some stats on that. I think you can construct an argument the other way too, that once you've crossed the line and are now a good candidate for that penalty, nothing is going to stop you from committing further crimes. (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: Can anyone verify this (...) Can't help you there, but here's an interesting argument regarding capital punishment- Most murders occur in conjection with other crimes (theft, rape, etc). If a criminal (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here in sunny Western PA we have a disturbing abundance of far-right demagogues on the radio, all of whom place the blame for all the ills of society--from the possibility of a dirty bomb to the heartbreak of psoriasis-- squarely upon Liberals. I (...) (22 years ago, 25-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I read a couple of quotes the other day that I thought made a great postscript to this post: In early '48 it was questioned why Israel had no land in the Jerusalem area, this was Ben-Gurion's answer: "The war will give us the land. The concept (...) (22 years ago, 25-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) translation: "i am a doughnut!" ich bin ein frankfurter! (i am a hotdog!) -lenny (22 years ago, 24-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for the prompt reply. I sent the appropriate message. (...) Well I think I'll give it a day or two and see what's up. -Mike Petrucelli (22 years ago, 24-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No one was casting any aspersions for what was an honest mistake. I wouldn't worry about it much... How to cancel depends on how you posted. If you used a newsreader you should be able to cancel from that reader, see your docs. If you used the (...) (22 years ago, 24-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well the author did not actually ask for anonymity, and I really did not expect anyone to guess. (Though I guess I should know better. My mistake, it won't happen again.) (...) Yeah I screwed that up too. Um, how do I cancel the message? (...) (...) (22 years ago, 24-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes: <snip> Mike: Leaving aside the propriety of quoting large sections of email that's written in a style that pretty clearly suggests who the author was (to longtime readers) after the author asked (...) (22 years ago, 23-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The solution seems obvious. Comment out the code that does this: numListeners += 1; (22 years ago, 23-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(URL) sure plenty of you have seen this but I missed it until just now. Just posting to let others like me know. -Jon -- | The Shipyard - (URL) My Lego Creations - (URL) Attack of the Bricks - (URL) Palmer" <jpalmer@oklahoma.net> wrote in message (...) (22 years ago, 23-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(well, 2 days ago anyway...) (URL) The Shipyard - (URL) My Lego Creations - (URL) Attack of the Bricks - (URL) (22 years ago, 23-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) you (...) But this is an exemplar of jury success. And innocent man wasn't convicted -- that's the most important thing. Chris (22 years ago, 22-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Found the link the the Skinner box and EverQuest: (URL) Skinner Box into Google and have a boo at the results there for more info (22 years ago, 21-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: snip (...) snippage (...) I believe you are referring to the Skinner box, in which the rats are 'trained' to perform certain tasks by a cost/reward method. When the rat presses lever, he gets food. (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Feh! What does an economist know about cost/benefit analysis? Interesting article overall, though some of his assumptions seem to depend too much on ideal models rather than real-world situations. The problem, as I see it, is that Thief A (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A nit. Technically this is not true. They actually typically collect LESS than they pay out. (but only by a little) You can read quite a bit more about this topic here: (URL) particular see: (URL) in particular particular, the section headed (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Regulations differ greatly from country to country. It is my understandment that US Workers' Compensation insurance is very well regulated; the carrier is not allowed to make any price increases beyond those to account for inflation. In (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) You don't know how lucky you are. Your "sue happy" culture means that people who ought to be careful are more motivated to be careful! I think I get the point of your example. To take (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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MOB (was Re: Fan Thank You Letter) (...) Consider this: He doesn't BUY insurance. No one does. There is no insurance to be had. The cost is not spread. No one cares whether I ride a motorcycle with a helmet or not -- it's MY OWN BUSINESS. When did (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Take a look at this link for some more thoughts on the economics of crime (including, particularly, theft) (URL) analysis does not quite square with yours. (22 years ago, 21-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: ***snip of stereophilic skullduggery*** (...) Kind of. But consider that the costs are raised infinitessimally by any single theft, so it's no good to tell Thief A not to steal; as long as every other (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snip contents] While funny, this is completely bogus. None of these cases ever occurred. For the full story, see: (URL) William R Ward bill@wards.net (URL) BUT TRUE: There is so much sand in northern Africa that if it were spread out it would (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh my tirade is not directed at anyone here at all. I have agreed with these posts. Few things get my blood pressure up and this is one of them, so if I come across as yelling, my bad. Yes I stand on a soap box every once in a while. I'm not (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We may just be off agreeing with each other at the top of our lungs... But anyway I DO support laws that change how tort works in the US... the change I want to see is that if a lawsuit IS found to be frivolous there is some financial (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I concur wholeheartedly. In no way shape or form do I want to pass laws and/or regulations that limit access to the justice system. I want people to grow up, suck it up, realize that sh*t happens, and that, no matter how you cut it, life goes (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snippage> (...) Hmm. I agree that there is an apparant sue-happy societal trend. I'm not sure that it's an *actual* trend, or just an apparant one. I do know that every single "stupid suit" case I've heard about **and looked into** turned out (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The ATLA site (reachable from the link to the myth debunk site that James B. provided) has a lot of info on this. She wasn't driving. That's a persistent false myth. Further, it wasn't that the cup ruptured, it was that the coffee is too hot. (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Brown writes: . Don't you know better than to believe everything you read in e-mail? (...) I was scanning through and thinking at best half the story was being left out. The thief in the garage story stopped me (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) K, all the cites are false. THanks for the link. Doesn't in any way, shape or form stop the rampant stupidity of the 'sueing generation' 'I can't wait for something to happen to me where I can sue somebody!' I hear it, you, obviously have (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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David Koudys wrote in message ... (...) For more about this non-frivolous case, see here: (URL) The woman in question (was seriously scalded, MacDonalds sold its coffee at a higher than normal temp, which has caused multiple serious scalds over the (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) **snip** (...) Just for my info, can you clarify whether Stella was holding the cup between her thighs (driving a car, perhaps) at the time of the spill? It had been my impression that this was the case, and if so, then tough for Stella; (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And the jury that acquitted the cops who assaulted Rodney King (who is himself no model citizen, either.) Dave! (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoops. These are two separate incidents! I ran the paragraph together so it seems like the first sentence refers to the rest. My bad. The first sentence refers to when I was struck by a car as a pedestrian. Michigan insurance law at the time (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just so people know where I am on this one, Stella did have a legitimate case in my view. As others have stated, McD had been repeatedly warned that they were serving coffee that was WAY WAY too hot, and did it for their convenience. However I (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> Sigh. Don't you know better than to believe everything you read in e-mail? (URL) of those "cites" are false. James (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) you (...) Greg, Thanks! I was actually hoping for a case where the found in favor of the plantif and against the defense, but actually this works. In the other case, McDonalds was the on the defense and the individual was the Plantif. I would (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) O.J. (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you mean revisionist history? ;-) (...) Do have any data which proves this? I would be interested to see it as it would mean that this is all wrong: Estimated Population of Palestine 1870-1946 Arabs (%) Jews (%) Total 1870 367,224 (98%) (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) called (...) the (...) many (...) there (...) Palestine (...) A History lesson is obviously needed here. After World War 2 the newly founded United Nations decided to create a Jewish State so they would never be subjected to a holocaust again. (...) (22 years ago, 19-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, scans of stickers are technically a copyright infringement. TLC happens to be pretty lenient about publishing scans of their instructions and whatnot, but they have never expressly licensed anyone to do so (well, perhaps they have now (...) (22 years ago, 19-Jun-02, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The rule at our office is that you stand as far away as you can then "flush and run", the pressure is so high that the spray can come up at least 3feet. Of course at home, where we have a lid, the stupid low flow toilet needs to be flushed (...) (22 years ago, 19-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Before this thread goes completely lifeless, let me wrap up what I was going to say here... The purpose of the toilet seat lid is supposed to be to keep spray and atomized water from leaving the toilet when one flushes it. Many public restroom (...) (22 years ago, 19-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed, no -- many of us go elsewhere for news. If we were getting what we wanted, we wouldn't do that I suppose. I used to listen to Spanish language channels, NPR, and read papers like the Bay Guardian (an SF semi left-wing rag) for news. (...) (22 years ago, 19-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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