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(...) unambiguously what this information tells us about our own government? -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 31-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) forgot how ferocious the battle for Okinawa actually was... but the real point of this article lies elsewhere. Moral relativism is a bankrupt idea. (23 years ago, 31-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Paul was a PM on a project I was on when we were both at CTP: (URL) have heard his story first hand. Pretty chilling. (23 years ago, 31-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then what was that place the tourist operator took me to???? ...Oh... And I didn't wear any tartan the entire time I was there ... Crawford tartan is so blechy. McIntyre (my mum's side) is much nicer. ROSCO (23 years ago, 31-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) any) (...) it's (...) That's possible, but doesn't stop evolution within the species. (...) We'll need some fairly large colonies before earth becomes expendable (IMO). (...) "Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability. (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't really think it's cause for "optimism" -- in my book the longer it takes before genetic manipulation of humans is commonplace the better! But a lot of these processes are technologically feasible today, which is why I put such a short (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fixed how? The solution I favor is to lift those restrictions. (...) It IS appropriate to compare US states because we're not giving up our right to keep and bear arms. Whether or not you think it's safer without them, we are committed to (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I tend to think that the fact that we allow them their proper freedoms is the reason that we generally have little problem with them. Chris (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Science News. It's thin. It's weekly. It summarizes the findings from all the real journals with enough reference that you can go get the whole article if you want to. And you can always pick up the especially interesting Scientific American (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) God, how I hope you're right! But I'm less optimistic than you. Chris (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, if it is easier to get an illegal gun in states that have restrictions on who can and how he can legally obtain a gun, then, of course, this needs to be fixed, too. (...) I was talking about *legal* ways for criminals to get guns. And to (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True or not, I have always been amazed by how much you in the US allow neo-Nazis to abuse the freedom they have. For historical reasons, this is a bit different in Europe, and especially in Germany. However, this of course does not mean we (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think these points interact in an interesting way. (...) I'm no physiologist, and this is largely based on mediocre SF, but I think it's quite possible that humans will evolve rapidly as a response to low gravity conditions (if that's not a (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (il)logical extreme, should we have the right to stop movies being made depicting our culture? I suppose Scottish examples would be "Braveheart", "Whisky Galore" or even “Brigadoon” (prospective tartan clad tourists please note the place does (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Cultures, words, meanings and ownership (was Was Re: "piffle!" (bowdlerised for your protection)
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(...) reposting my debatable comments (...) Why is it more absurd than a corporation's claim to a trademark? Note that the Treaty of Waitangi (1840) (URL) acknowledges Maori entitlement to cultural heritage, which includes their language. (URL) LEGO (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Cultures, words, meanings and ownership (was Was Re: "piffle!" (bowdlerised for your protection)
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(...) An interesting notion. Is this a common argument? (...) But why should they care any more than you do? I'm sure that there are a lot of ethnic European people around the world, but I feel no particular responsibility for them. If the "*very* (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John's right, this IS debate fodder. He should have set XFUT, but I will. XFUT o-t.debate and let's keep it out of other groups if it veers into the subject areas... that would be my strong preference and I suspect many others as well. Just a (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.technic.bionicle, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought this was an interesting perspective: From the OU ==+== Infant mortality is a thing of the past, major diseases are treatable and natural disasters largely avoidable, so the merciless selective forces of nature are something of an (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Is Larry a Creationist? 8^) Re: Future of Humanity (was: lotsa stuff)
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(...) Ack. I mean the surfacing of traits already in the population (and not newly mutation generated) when I said micro... and the longterm generation/selection of new traits (and speciation) when I said macro. Sorry if that was imprecise. I ain't (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Is Larry a Creationist? 8^) Re: Future of Humanity (was: lotsa stuff)
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(...) Ciprox in particular, but antibiotics in general are overused. But my understanding is that "macroevolution" is a straw-man term coined, or at least embraced, by Creationists. All evolution is microevolution except on the geologic scale, and (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not a bad point, but it must be stipulated that since humanity is *part* of nature, then the traits we, as agents of nature, elect to favor will survive and be passed on in a manner exactly consistent with evolution. I'm not sure that the (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Doing the Discover Mag Rag (Was: At last, a Federal program we can all support.)
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(...) Well, if you're only looking to maintain the status quo of scientific integrity, Weekly World News isn't too much of a leap away from Discover! I don't follow many science journals too regularly, though I'll pick up an occasional Scientific (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Macroevolution, yes. Microevolution, no. (which is why switching away from Ciprox is a good idea, hold it in reserve if we can) (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Dead end" has an air of finality that can't be declared with any confidence when speaking of evolution. It may be the case, though I don't think so, that we've created a temporary stall on evolution, but even then, it's not world-wide, and (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) to (...) Have you read the novels "Last and First Men" and "Starmaker" by Olaf Stapledon? They deal with exactly those issues but on a grand scale, and are *exceptionally* humbling reads. Highly recommended! Jennifer (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We get New Scientist, it tends to be a bit "current" but it is a good read. The range of articles in it means one can spend and afternoon with it, or just a cup of coffee. It does not have the depth of Scientific American, but the detail is (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Tut Tut Santosh, I thought I was cynical. Next you will be telling us this war is also about Central Asian oil & gas, that Bush met with the Taleban before he was elected, that Unacol proposed the pipeline across Afghanistan, that Unocal (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would favor Scientific American but that's just because I've never read the other two. I find SA to be a very absorbing read. But it's not a read while watching TV sort of rag, you need to give it your full attention to get what the articles (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Future of Humanity (was: lotsa stuff)
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(...) Right. Or at least closer. What I'm getting at is that evolution is a natural process that produces changes in organisms in response to changes in environment (including the changes that occur in other organisms) but that we are now choosing, (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Talk about double standards... Saw this on another forum, apparently its been emailed about. Confused? Having difficulty telling the good guys from the bad guys? Use this handy guide to differences between Terrorists and the U.S. Government: (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Future of Humanity (was: lotsa stuff)
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(...) 2030: designer human v5.0 The baby can change its own nappy. :) Scott A (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Future of Humanity (was: lotsa stuff)
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(...) Is it not our intelligence which separates from rest of the animals? Is that not the key to our evolution, or do you think it is incidental? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Doing the Discover Mag Rag (Was: At last, a Federal program we can all support.)
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(...) (Not that Discover magazine really has anything to do with Discovery Communications Inc., but still...) So here's a little story. I'm in the position where, to compliment my National Geographic collection, I'm looking for a subscription to any (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Let me first go over the article itself, before I comment on the response Larry posted. (...) One explanation, yes. (...) Inside its borders, yes. (...) That gets to the point. (...) This argument leaves me behind ... (...) Very true. (...) Again (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Future of Humanity (was: lotsa stuff)
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(...) I understood Larry's point differently, in that optimistically we might never go extinct (technology propelling us beyond the earth, the solar system, the galaxy, the universe...), but in terms of biological evolution we're more or less at a (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) of (...) tend (...) We may, in the end, cause our own extinction, in which case I guess you could say we're currently in the process of stopping our evolution, but I think it's a pretty big stretch. As I've said before, I think humanity will (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Future of Humanity (was: lotsa stuff)
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(...) Except to stop it. Which we are in the process of doing, and which was my original point! ++Lar (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) to (...) "wrong (...) That may be so, but I would think that most people who have a middling understanding of evolution would agree that intelligence has little (if any) effect on it. (...) right (...) No. Read the question again. I was (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A couple of eminently debatable assertions. *Read Gould's "Mismeasure of Man" for a perspective on the furphy of IQ testing -- recent editions include a refutation of the premise and methodology that inform "The Bell Curve" c/ race /class. (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Though admittedly a generalization, this trend in intelligence:breeding rate is based on an evolutionarily insignificant stretch of time. Further, even in the hypothetical example, the judging of intelligence based on academic achievement (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes - easier to illegally get arms. I could get an illegal gun MUCH easier than a legal gun, yet I choose to wait and get one following the ridiculous laws of this state. How does the ease of illegal acquisition for criminals affect the fact (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would think that most people with at least middling intelligence would tend to agree that decreasing the overall intelligence level of our species is the "wrong way". Do you have a reason to think that decreasing our species intelligence is (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's like those shows on the Discovery Channel that quote "UFO experts" or "experts in the paranormal." How the heck does someone qualify as a UFO expert? Has he "seen" a bunch of UFOs? Has he heard a lot of stories about UFOs? Did he see (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the UK this is already done indirectly. I think speed is altered based on how close the cars are travelling together on some roads leading to London - slow moving cars travel closer together. In these type of conditions, reducing the speed (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave Schuler brings our attention to: (...) -> 1. Five years experience as a healer (meaning that -> close to half of their professional time has been -> spent providing energy healing, spiritual healing, -> prayer, or shamanic healing to (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What would be cool is signage that responds to the weather. Based on the temperature and state of precipitation (or even reflective characteristics of the road and atmospheric light-transmission characteristics), the signs could display a (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm Civil engineering. This does work for some roads, but, for most, the 85th percentile speed just keeps rising (if my memory serves my right). For most roads, all the 85th percentile rule shows is that 15 percent of drivers are willing to (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) Ms. Targ has received $243,228.00 from the NIH to fund her bogus study, representing the first installment on what is likely to "amount to more than 2 million dollars of federal funds over the next few years." This quote is pulled from (URL) (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> The theory of how to set speeds isn't just some neato thing I dreamed up, it's commonly accepted practice, as outlined in Transportation Engineering texts... you can look it up or take (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Can't Drive 65 (was 'Re: Tolerance of vice')
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(...) Who are smart enough to know what level or risk is appropriate in all situations. Right? (...) The 'correct' speed. (...) What Larry is saying is that while they might be exceeding the posted speed limit, the problem is that the posted speed (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | 'work of neo-Nazis' (Re: Anthrax Info)
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(...) This was interesting: Genetic sleuths rush to identify anthrax strains in mail attacks (URL) It reminded me (indirectly) of a story I read yesterday about the current anthrax problem. The content makes some sense, and mirrors a view I read on (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: "Why Do so many hate America"... or is it "Why does America hate US?"?
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(...) Richard, Did you forget this - :-) ? It can be argued that your president was moving your nation in that direction up until September 11th. Did you view that as a success? Further, take a look at how much the USA has relied on overseas help (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose
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(...) I don't think that there are any which are purely industreal which still do, at least for regular use. Mind you, I can name a railway here that shouldn't exist, but does too...(That'd be the E&N on Vancouver Island...it is still here because (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: "Why Do so many hate America"... or is it "Why does America hate US?"?
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(...) I guess some (many?) cave-men said[1] something similar when they started living together in communities, and others later when communities started living in states. ROSCO [1] or grunted? made their feelings known somehow, anyway... (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Can't Drive 65 (was 'Re: Tolerance of vice')
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Just some thoughts.... (bad ones at that) (...) Ok, so let's say that the average driving speed in america has gone up over the past few decades. I believe it has, but I don't have a statistic in front of me. The reasons for this increase are (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The leading scientific journal nature is publishing some information on anthrax on its website including some older articles(both hard science and policy issues are covered). (URL) access fee has been removed for this section -chris (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I waffle on this. Long time readers know I usually lean in the jeffersonian "honest friendship for all, entangling alliances with none" direction but I've been somewhat swayed lately by those who argue that 200 years on, with ICBM transit (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: "Why Do so many hate America"... or is it "Why does America hate US?"?
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(...) I am willing to agree with this much. Would doing nothing as far as foreign policy goes be too difficult a course of action to follow for some reason? I say screw the rest of the world -- feed the U.S.! We could change the face of the U.S. (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ignore the neighbours for now. Think about how the current troubles started 13 months ago. Think about all those lovely residential developments Israel is allowing on land which does not belong to them. Think about the innocents they are (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose
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(...) I think he was discounting tourist roads. I don't think any non tourist US road uses steam in revenue service on a regular basis (unless you count fireless). (...) You're going to need to provide a cite and detailed analysis for that. ACE (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: How do you spell Osama?
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(...) btw: Horn-tooting: It was nice to see that my speculation on bin = ibn was founded. LFB (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. It is. A fairly good synopsis, too. (In my own work, I've had to deal with the Egyptian Colonel Arabi, who is variously "Orabi," "Urabi," "Araby," "`Urabi," and so forth.[1] "Hussein" is also "Husain" and "Husayn;" Nasser is "Nasr" and (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose
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(...) I belive Grand Canyon Railway is. Josh Used correctly, modern steam would be cheaper (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What does it take to be a true Christian?
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(...) Being simply more powerful doesn't imply, to my mind, a difference of "kind" in moralities, only a difference of "degrees." Though the Mayan Gods weren't moral authorities of any particular kind, I'd wager that moral codes still existed within (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What happened?
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(...) was (...) This might sound silly, but it just occured to me as interesting that while we have made it illegal to revolt, we have core rules that encourage revolution. Jefferson certainly seems to have thought that periodic revolutions is a (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | How do you spell Laden? (was: How do you spell Osama?)
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(...) This isn't a direct response to Larry's issue, but as three-part nostalgia/humor/irony and surface-almost-relation, I'm posting. In the fourteenth note to this group -- (URL) you can find A) an interesting spelling of bin Laden, B) a joke (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | "Why U.S. Military Bases Are Good for Mecca and Medina"
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Found it. (URL) this true? Have we had bases and a military presence in SA all along? Grr... Time to stop propping that oppressive regime up (but let's not let it be the first card we pull out of the stack, we need to take care of some other (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | How do you spell Osama?
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Long time readers may recall my grousing at not knowing how to spell Koran the currently correct way... well, it's not my fault. I hope this isn't viewed as debate fodder, merely information (I found it while rooting for something else that IS going (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: GODMONEY (was re: Anthrax worse than AIDS?)
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(...) does (...) First, I wonder even if true, if it really does. Don't Christians belive that Christ will return to bring in the new world? Doesn't that have to be someone? Mightn't it be a person born and raised normally (let's say, as a (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | "Why Do so many hate America"... or is it "Why does America hate US?"?
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From the Phillipines, via my IBMTEXT alumni list (URL) found it quite interesting... however I also agree in part with some of the responses to it from that list, here's one in its entireity: - start - That is certainly a third-world editorial. The (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose
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(...) Hardly. So what...it costs more than diesel for maintance, and since US railways are profit orented, that's what they use (well, for the most part...I could name a few US railways that use steam, although I cannot think of any which are (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What does it take to be a true Christian?
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(...) I wonder if C.S. Lewis examined the Mayan belief system? The Mesoamerican system of gods is pretty alien. They are neither good, nor bad, taken as a whole, just more powerful. Further, I have to wonder if the ethos of "be willing to sacrifice (...) (23 years ago, 27-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To be a true Christian, I'd say that one must be first squarely in agreement with the essentials of the faith--the clearest and most basic beliefs that the early believers held regarding the person of Christ, and have which been a bedrock of (...) (23 years ago, 27-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: GODMONEY (was re: Anthrax worse than AIDS?)
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(...) Do you have a cite for that? What I have heard from some sources is that he thought he might be in the middle of a prophecy that was playing out, but not that he thought he was "Jesus" any more than he thought every single person who accepted (...) (23 years ago, 27-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm very interested in some answers to this, actually-- particularly from a Christian perspective. I think I've tried to define Christianity a couple times as certain sets of philosophical/moral beliefs combined with supernatural beliefs, (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Er, didn't Koresh think he *was* Christ? I'd call that more than just "not mainstream." best LFB (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that the author may have a bit of an under-siege mentality, but I found at least one of his points very important. There have been, as the author pointed out, a lot of condescending statments such as "You realize why they hate you, (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What does it take to be a 'true' vegetarian? I would say that a 'true' vegetarian is one who accepts and lives by the behaviors demanded by vegetarianism, ie not eating meat. A 'true' Christian, I would suggest, is one who accepts and lives by (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd argue that the best and only way to determine if one is living consistently with the precepts of an adopted or assumed philosophical position/worldview is to compare the precepts to the behavior and try to determine whether or not that (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This article certainly has some reason on its side, yet I can't help but suspect its goal is to preserve US support for Zionism. We in Germany are pretty well aware of the fact that it is almost impossible to reason against the "less wise" portions (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How's that? I'd call Koresh a Christian, just not a mainstream one. What does it take to be a 'true' Christian? Chris (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think Dave! did a pretty good job of expanding on what I was intimating in my little Godmoney venting. I do think our priorities are completing screwed. I think we should BY FAR be more concerned with security, emergency response, and how to (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All right, I retract that statement (which was admittedly unfair). I'm still not comfortable with "risky behavior," though, because it carries a vibe of "got what was coming to them," whether you intend it or not. (...) Agreed--just as David (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What would it mean for Israel to play the good boy? Surely, they can't placate the demands of *all* neighboring states. Israel exists (though the how and why of it be may be questionable.) It's destruction is not an option; peace is only going (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What must a person of Turkish descent whose family has lived in Germany for three generations do to seek citizenship? (...) Actually, this is a tricky situation because ultimately I think that rights are just a notion. But I spend the majority (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The longer Israel plays the bad guy, the longer the people who "govern" places like Saudi-Arabia and Syria will have a distraction for their own people. I expect that if Israel were to all-of-a-sudden become a good boy, a few of the neighbours (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Granted, it would probably be in Israel's best interests to participate on the "world stage" but that doesn't mean that Middle Eastern countries have a free pass to throw around absolutely hateful rhetoric in the meantime. A congress on racism (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Exactly! No one needs a banning, you both just need a perspective. Scott, it doesn't hurt your standing here when Larry calls you a liar. It hurts you when you ask him to prove it umpteenmillion times. Larry, it doesn't hurt your standing here (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have partly fallen in to the trap laid by Wasserstein. One can be: A Jew but not a Zionist. A Zionist but not a Jew. A Zionist Israeli but not an Jew etc etc The problem is people on both side choose to confuse the terms. Israeli are very (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As currently deployed, it is indeed small potatoes. I'm sure more people are killed by food poisoning than anthrax. As a terrorist weapon it is very effective. I expect the economic cost of its impact must be huge. If the government treats it (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not happy with the bedfellow relationship that my government has with Israel, so, no, I'm not suprised by the associations made between the U.S. and Israel. However...absolutely hateful and unplacatable anti-Israel and anti- Semitic (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I may be wrong, but I think the USA poured cold water on the meeting well before it even started as is was going to give its friends in the Middle East a hard time. So if the USA did not play ball because of the way Israel was being treated, (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Before anyone gets hot and bothered about rights in the UK, this is an AI overview of detention without trial due to risk of terrorism in the UK: ==+== The maximum period of detention without charge is seven days, with an extension of up to (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How did we cast our own die there? (I really want to know.) james (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand that the root of his issue was not bible purchases per se, but his GodMoney comments were red herrings meant to attack willy-nilly and make broad- brush generalizations about people of faith and their motives and concerns. (...) I (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I read from Richard's post a concern that a disease that has claimed millions of lives is still perceived as a "fringe" disease, while a disease that recently has claimed fewer than 10 lives has been the front page story in every news source (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure what you are getting at. Can you please elaborate? Who is this "nobody" that you are referring to? What connection are you assuming between Bible-purchases and AIDS deaths? If I purchase a Bible (which I have in the last year), am (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm sure that Wasserstein is aware that some of the "hatred" may well be entirely rational - does anyone seriously deny that? I know that for some time (prior to the events of Sept 11) Bush Jr almost appeared to be nurturing Amera-scepticism (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed, I read about the case of Dr Mazen Al-Najjar who was held for over 3 years ( May 1997 - December 2000) without charge based on "secret evidence". He had lived in the USA since 1981. His lawyer said this when he was released (from BBC): (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) and (...) does (...) That's a big change IMO. And indefinitely "under some circumstances". But that was only an example - the bill contains many other changes as well. ROSCO (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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