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Re: Cultures, words, meanings and ownership (was Was Re: "piffle!" (bowdlerised for your protection)
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Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:34:44 GMT
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In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> John's right, this IS debate fodder. He should have set XFUT, but I will.
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> XFUT o-t.debate and let's keep it out of other groups if it veers into the
> subject areas... that would be my strong preference and I suspect many
> others as well.
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> Just a concerned citizen.
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> In lugnet.technic.bionicle, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Brian Kasprzyk writes:
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> >
> >
> > >
> > > I am surprised at the attitude being displayed by the Lugnet community over
> > > this issue. You are not being very realistic about this whole issue. We
> > > live in a country where a woman, on her own accord spills hot coffee on
> > > herself and wins a multi-million dollar award.
> > >
> > > You have a company, like Lego, who goes out of their way to protect every
> > > little bit of their block designs, name and other interests and will sue
> > > without a thought if someone else's bricks look like theirs.
> > >
> > > Then you have an entire nation United States Of America, which was stolen
> > > from the indian people of this country we live in
> >
> > Uh, troll, I don't think that the indians *owned* this country in the first
> > place to have it "stolen".
An interesting notion. Is this a common argument?
> But this is .debate fodder for which I have not the
> > time or inclination...
> >
> >
> > , yet, when a company, like
> > > Lego decides to rip-off names from another culture, words that have deep
> > > religous meaning to them, you think they are the ones that are wrong. Well,
> >
> > As many are pointing out elsewhere in this thread, it is absurd to believe that
> > a "culture" "owns" anything. What a load of hooey!
> >
> >
> > > I say shame on Lego, first to use the names and then to deny where they
> > > originated, saying they made them up. You should really be saying, shame on
> > > Lego. Here, I thought they came up with all this stuff on their own to find
> > > out they plagiarized it all. Just like you can't copy someone else's work
> > > in school, the business world is just the same.
> >
> > Except that this "culture" who thinks they have a case mostly certainly isn't a
> > *business*.
> > >
> > > Now, I may agree with you that they may be partially doing it to get some
> > > monney out of it, but many of them may not. We have a warped sense of what
> > > living comfortably is. Prime example again is the Indians here in the
> > > states. Many of them are rich, due to the casino profits, but they still
> > > choose to live in their old cultural ways.
> >
> > If *any* are doing it for the money, the argument is lost. If *all* of the
> > American Indians were chosing to live in the old ways despite being millionaires
> > I'd buy it. Heck, there are many *very* poor reservations in the US-- do you
> > think that the casino-rich ones care? It's all about "getting mine", even for
> > them.
But why should they care any more than you do? I'm sure that there are a lot
of ethnic European people around the world, but I feel no particular
responsibility for them. If the "*very* poor reservations" are a symptom of
failure, is it not a failure of your country - *not* American Indian culture?
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> >
> > >
> > > Please think about this from a different angle then just, "getting money of
> > > of Lego." This is the business world. Just like Lego goes after people
> > > using their company name, the New Zealand people are doing the same...
> >
> > lol When I first started reading your post, I thought you were speaking tongue
> > in cheek. There *isn't* any other way to see this except for shameless $$$
> > grubbing. Sorry.
> >
> > -.02,
> > John
> > >
> > > BK>
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