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Re: Cultures, words, meanings and ownership (was Was Re: "piffle!" (bowdlerised for your protection)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:16:09 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Low writes:
> In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > John's right, this IS debate fodder. He should have set XFUT, but I will.
> >
> > XFUT o-t.debate and let's keep it out of other groups if it veers into the
> > subject areas... that would be my strong preference and I suspect many
> > others as well.
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> reposting my debatable comments
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> > In lugnet.technic.bionicle, John Neal writes:
> >
> > > , yet, when a company, like
> > > > Lego decides to rip-off names from another culture, words that have deep
> > > > religous meaning to them, you think they are the ones that are wrong. Well,
> > >
> > > As many are pointing out elsewhere in this thread, it is absurd to believe that
> > > a "culture" "owns" anything. What a load of hooey!
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> Why is it more absurd than a corporation's claim to a trademark? Note that
> the Treaty of Waitangi (1840) http://www.govt.nz/aboutnz/treaty.php3
> explicitly acknowledges Maori entitlement to cultural heritage, which
> includes their language.
> http://www.knowledge-basket.co.nz/waitangi/reports/wai11.html
I think we all have a cultural heritage. But if we take your argument to its
(il)logical extreme, should we have the right to stop movies being made
depicting our culture? I suppose Scottish examples would be "Braveheart",
"Whisky Galore" or even “Brigadoon” (prospective tartan clad tourists please
note the place does *not* exist).
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> If LEGO can acknowledge the importance of cultural sensitivity, why is it a
> problem for so many AFOLs (one or two in particular)?
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> > > > I say shame on Lego, first to use the names and then to deny where they
> > > > originated, saying they made them up. You should really be saying, shame on
> > > > Lego. Here, I thought they came up with all this stuff on their own to find
> > > > out they plagiarized it all. Just like you can't copy someone else's work
> > > > in school, the business world is just the same.
> > >
> > > Except that this "culture" who thinks they have a case mostly certainly isn't a
> > > *business*.
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> Why should corporations be privileged over other cultural groups with a
> distinct identity?
Because they have better lawyers? :)
Scott A
>
> --DaveL
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